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It's really time to move away from Gmail & co. Any suggestion for a comparable email service?

by throwaway49872 6y ago

chappi42 6y ago
fastmail or with (many) own domains: mailbox.org, runbox.com ...
- roblabla 6y ago
  I second fastmail, it's a really great service. I've been a happy customer for a year now, using my own domain and a sieve script for automated triaging of my emails. Their web interface is really, really good, and they're working hard to modernize the email protocols, with their work on JMAP and so on.
  - pedro2 6y ago
    How’s the Australian spy law [1] thing? [1] https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/goodbye-fastmail.html https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/goodbye-fastmail.html
    - throwaway49872 6y ago
      This is terrible, I'm [genuinly] surprised that other people recommend fastmail.
      - chappi42 6y ago
        I don't think the blog post is accurate, see [1]. From the three providers mentioned above (fastmail/mailbox/runbox) which I have experience with, fastmail has by far the best ui, speed and feel (atm). As with gmail the fastmail provider does read your email content to provide e.g. search (and in case of gmail who knows what more?). Both will hand out information with a lawful warrant. -- And as long as the government is reasonably sane [2] that's perfectly fine with me. [1] https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/21/advocating-for-privacy-aabill-australia/ https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/21/advocating-for-privacy-aabi... [2] otherwise I'd try ProtonMail (but it has a price in useability)
      - sitharus 6y ago
        Government interception is not part of my threat model for email. Emails may relayed through intermediate servers I can't control and may or may not be encrypted in transit or storage along the way. If I want private communication I'm not going to use email (or probably the internet). However a service not randomly shutting down or dropping support for open protocols _is_ part of my requirements for an email host.
    - dewey 6y ago
      Does that really change much in reality? If you expect your emails to be inaccessible to anyone except you and the recipient you'll have to encrypt them anyway. If you are worried about the data-mining for ad purposes on other providers switching to a paid provider like Fastmail is still a good option and while everyone is subject to ad-tech data mining not everyone is subject to a targeted collection by a government actor most of the time.
      - pedro2 6y ago
        My threat model is: governments can read my email but that will incur a cost, a timelapse and a judge -- not just a point and click mega-spy interface. I want to bash Trump's latest haircut without fear of incoming, frivolous litigation. I do, however, expect consequences if I do something really stupid.
    - roblabla 6y ago
      I'm in France, and use email mostly to keep up with newsletters, personal comms, and non-important professional comms. If your threat model includes the Australian Government as a threat, then yes, using another provider would make sense. Then again, if you have government agencies in your threat model, you might want to move to E2E communications anyways.
- athenot 6y ago
  I'm also very satisfied with Fastmail. Cost is the same as Google's paid tier but they do email really well.
- endre 6y ago
  i second to fastmail
- Doctor_Fegg 6y ago
  +1 for Runbox. Reliable service and better price than Fastmail for my circumstances, at least.
- tzs 6y ago
  Why not Fastmail with many own domains? The $5/month ($50/year, $130/3-year) plan allows 100 domains.
  - chappi42 6y ago
    Some years ago this was not possible in fastmail (or I didn't find it;) In addition: if you want to separate the domains, then mailbox/runbox have a low-cost plan (around €15/y, iirc) which doesn't exist in fastmail.
- hedora 6y ago
  Fastmail. Definitely. They exceed all my expectations, and I‘m picky.
nanna 6y ago
Set up your own. iredmail and mail-in-a-box do most of the grunt work for you.
throwaway55554 6y ago
I've been hosting my mail with Zoho for a couple years and I've not had any issues with them.
newscracker 6y ago
Comparable email service? Not sure on what terms to compare. But take a look at the below privacy focused (or privacy respecting) services before you look at Fastmail (which can be quite expensive if you need multiple mailboxes): Posteo.de (no custom domain support), runbox.com, mailbox.org, mailfence.com, migadu.com, mxroute.com (if you don't mind hosting in the U.S.), ProtonMail (needs a bridge software to use IMAP) and Tutanota (no IMAP support) If you'd like to support the next generation JMap (which Fastmail develops), then getting a paid subscription on Fastmail could help.
pedro2 6y ago
Depends on what you want. Personally, I use Gandi Webmail [1] which provides SOGo groupware [2]. NOTE: it is not as AJAXy as Gmail. [1] https://news.gandi.net/en/2017/01/introducing-sogo-new-webmail-service-in-beta/ https://news.gandi.net/en/2017/01/introducing-sogo-new-webma... [2] https://sogo.nu/ https://sogo.nu/
- flipbrad 6y ago
  Seconded. The vast number of aliases you can create is fantastic - I'm using unique addresses for every site I register on. Given the features and storage space, Gandi webmail seems to be very good value for money.
Tijdreiziger 6y ago
Personally I use Soverin.net. Hosted in the EU and with IMAP support.
juped 6y ago
Use your own domain, and you can try as many email services as you like to see which one is best.

It's really time to move away from Gmail & co. Any suggestion for a comparable email service?

chappi42 6y ago

fastmail or with (many) own domains: mailbox.org, runbox.com ...

roblabla 6y ago
I second fastmail, it's a really great service. I've been a happy customer for a year now, using my own domain and a sieve script for automated triaging of my emails. Their web interface is really, really good, and they're working hard to modernize the email protocols, with their work on JMAP and so on.
- pedro2 6y ago
  How’s the Australian spy law [1] thing? [1] https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/goodbye-fastmail.html https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/goodbye-fastmail.html
  - throwaway49872 6y ago
    This is terrible, I'm [genuinly] surprised that other people recommend fastmail.
    - chappi42 6y ago
      I don't think the blog post is accurate, see [1]. From the three providers mentioned above (fastmail/mailbox/runbox) which I have experience with, fastmail has by far the best ui, speed and feel (atm). As with gmail the fastmail provider does read your email content to provide e.g. search (and in case of gmail who knows what more?). Both will hand out information with a lawful warrant. -- And as long as the government is reasonably sane [2] that's perfectly fine with me. [1] https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/21/advocating-for-privacy-aabill-australia/ https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/21/advocating-for-privacy-aabi... [2] otherwise I'd try ProtonMail (but it has a price in useability)
    - sitharus 6y ago
      Government interception is not part of my threat model for email. Emails may relayed through intermediate servers I can't control and may or may not be encrypted in transit or storage along the way. If I want private communication I'm not going to use email (or probably the internet). However a service not randomly shutting down or dropping support for open protocols _is_ part of my requirements for an email host.
  - dewey 6y ago
    Does that really change much in reality? If you expect your emails to be inaccessible to anyone except you and the recipient you'll have to encrypt them anyway. If you are worried about the data-mining for ad purposes on other providers switching to a paid provider like Fastmail is still a good option and while everyone is subject to ad-tech data mining not everyone is subject to a targeted collection by a government actor most of the time.
    - pedro2 6y ago
      My threat model is: governments can read my email but that will incur a cost, a timelapse and a judge -- not just a point and click mega-spy interface. I want to bash Trump's latest haircut without fear of incoming, frivolous litigation. I do, however, expect consequences if I do something really stupid.
  - roblabla 6y ago
    I'm in France, and use email mostly to keep up with newsletters, personal comms, and non-important professional comms. If your threat model includes the Australian Government as a threat, then yes, using another provider would make sense. Then again, if you have government agencies in your threat model, you might want to move to E2E communications anyways.
athenot 6y ago
I'm also very satisfied with Fastmail. Cost is the same as Google's paid tier but they do email really well.
endre 6y ago
i second to fastmail
Doctor_Fegg 6y ago
+1 for Runbox. Reliable service and better price than Fastmail for my circumstances, at least.
tzs 6y ago
Why not Fastmail with many own domains? The $5/month ($50/year, $130/3-year) plan allows 100 domains.
- chappi42 6y ago
  Some years ago this was not possible in fastmail (or I didn't find it;) In addition: if you want to separate the domains, then mailbox/runbox have a low-cost plan (around €15/y, iirc) which doesn't exist in fastmail.
hedora 6y ago
Fastmail. Definitely. They exceed all my expectations, and I‘m picky.

nanna 6y ago

Set up your own. iredmail and mail-in-a-box do most of the grunt work for you.

throwaway55554 6y ago

I've been hosting my mail with Zoho for a couple years and I've not had any issues with them.

newscracker 6y ago

Comparable email service? Not sure on what terms to compare. But take a look at the below privacy focused (or privacy respecting) services before you look at Fastmail (which can be quite expensive if you need multiple mailboxes): Posteo.de (no custom domain support), runbox.com, mailbox.org, mailfence.com, migadu.com, mxroute.com (if you don't mind hosting in the U.S.), ProtonMail (needs a bridge software to use IMAP) and Tutanota (no IMAP support) If you'd like to support the next generation JMap (which Fastmail develops), then getting a paid subscription on Fastmail could help.

pedro2 6y ago

Depends on what you want. Personally, I use Gandi Webmail [1] which provides SOGo groupware [2]. NOTE: it is not as AJAXy as Gmail. [1] https://news.gandi.net/en/2017/01/introducing-sogo-new-webmail-service-in-beta/ https://news.gandi.net/en/2017/01/introducing-sogo-new-webma... [2] https://sogo.nu/ https://sogo.nu/

flipbrad 6y ago
Seconded. The vast number of aliases you can create is fantastic - I'm using unique addresses for every site I register on. Given the features and storage space, Gandi webmail seems to be very good value for money.

Tijdreiziger 6y ago

Personally I use Soverin.net. Hosted in the EU and with IMAP support.

juped 6y ago

Use your own domain, and you can try as many email services as you like to see which one is best.