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Visual Studio: $549.00 Flash Builder: $699.00 TextMate: $56.00 Coda: $99.00 BBedit: $99.99 Xcode 4: $4.99

by jarin 16y ago

rbanffy 16y ago
Eclipse: $0 NetBeans: $0 DevShed C++: $0 Emacs: $0 The complete GNU compiler collection: $0 Xcode 3: $0
- jarin 16y ago
  Don't forget Vim at least!
- ptomato 16y ago
  Xcode 3 was included with a $129 dollar OS and only would run on that one or later. Xcode 3.2 was included with a $29 OS and ditto.
  - masklinn 16y ago
    Actually you could download Xcode (and the iOS SDKs) for free from Apple's website. It would only run on your $129/$29 OS, but technically you didn't have to use the shipped copy ever.
    - jarin 16y ago
      So… Effectively the same thing?
    - calloc 16y ago
      You can download download Xcode 3.x free if you log in at connect.apple.com, or on the xcode page on developer.apple.com you click on the "Looking for Xcode 3" link: http://imgur.com/cWRp6 http://imgur.com/cWRp6 http://imgur.com/8LHXW http://imgur.com/8LHXW This isn't the end of the world, it is not like now you no longer have access to the development tools. I wonder like a lot of people if this has to do with tax laws.
      - pyre 16y ago
        > it is not like now you no longer have access > to the development tools XCode 3 may still work now, but what does the future hold? Will it get updates? Or will it slowly become obsolete? If it just slowly dies, then this is a very shrewd move by Apple because the pain (i.e. "I have to pay to get any dev tools") comes some time in the future and the people can dismiss the nay-sayers right now with, "but you can still get X Code 3 for free!" If Apple were to immediately pull XCode 3, and all access to dev tools was pay-only, then it would be a lot easier for more people to side with the people decrying this move.
        calloc 16y ago
        Many other people are also suggesting, and I would agree with them that come OS X Lion time Xcode will once again be shipped on the media that the OS comes on. I don't know what the future holds, I don't work at Apple, and if I did I am pretty sure I wouldn't be allowed to tell you. Sure we can speculate at this point, honestly I think that Xcode 3 has run its course and that Xcode 4 is the future. Xcode 4 being priced the way it is may be for tax reasons, Xcode 4 may be shipped with OS X Lion, Xcode 4 may later on be offered as a $50 package on the Mac App Store. We don't know. For now I hope, and tend to agree with people that Xcode 4 will be bundled with OS X Lion and at that point will be free once more.
- mechanical_fish 16y ago
  I love emacs and use it every day. And I'm glad that it's free software. But if Apple offered to keep my Mac's emacs install up to date for $4.99 I would pay in a heartbeat. I have to periodically check whether my version is out of date. When it is, I have to find the download URL, click on it, remember to come back when the package has downloaded, and run the installer. I have to do this on all of my machines. Sure, this isn't all that much work. But $4.99 isn't that much money, either.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    Paying is not the point. If paying for the software were easy for everyone who has a Mac everywhere, I would feel a little bit uncomfortable, but that would be all. My point is that this move may effectively shut off parts of the world that have no access to the Mac App Store. Don't get me wrong: I like Apple and used Apple computers since my early days as an Apple II developer. My main computers run Linux, but I like to keep a Mac around. What worries me is that this move actually hurts Apple a lot more than we may realize at first.
    - rbanffy 16y ago
      Just as a side note that nicely illustrates how politics may interfere with this, when I got my first Apple II (a II+) it was actually a clone (http://orbita.starmedia.com/~cobit2/propagandas/exato_ago85.jpg http://orbita.starmedia.com/~cobit2/propagandas/exato_ago85....). At that time, importing computers to Brazil was prohibited. If I wanted to travel abroad, law mandated strict limits on how much money I could carry and buying an Apple II directly would be impossible. There were alternatives, smugglers that could bring almost anything you wanted, but then it would be a crime...
  - nitrogen 16y ago
    Just curious, I'm assuming that switching to Linux to get automatic updates for all packages would cost you more than $5 in pain in other areas. Is that assumption correct?
    - 16y ago
- eneveu 16y ago
  IntelliJ IDEA 10 (personal license): 220€ Yes, I finally decided to take the plunge and buy it in December, after a few years using Eclipse. Never going back. I used to be a big Eclipse proponent, but I must say I don't understand the "I want free tooling" mentality anymore. If it's a tool you are going to use every day, the cost is nothing compared to the productivity gains.
dedward 16y ago
Xcode every other day before now: Free with your OS
- jarin 16y ago
  And your OS is either $30, or free with your $700+ Mac purchase
- sigzero 16y ago
  And? Apple never said (as far as I know) that "Xcode will be forever free" and really, are people bitching about $5?
  - masklinn 16y ago
    > are people bitching about $5? Yes. Because Xcode has been free for 10 years it's taken for granted that Xcode is free, and because OSX's base install does contain any C compilers, it's in the Xcode install.
    - uxp 16y ago
      > OSX's base install does contain any C compilers, it's in the Xcode install. I think you ment to say "Doesn't" instead of does. This nullifies any argument that GCC and the Gnu Toolchain are free to download, if in a year from now the OS you buy doesn't contain GCC in the base install in order to download and compile GCC.
      - jarin 16y ago
        I don't know a ton about gcc internals, but I imagine it probably wouldn't be overly difficult to create an installer that puts a precompiled gcc into /usr/bin.
francoisdevlin 16y ago
vim - $0.00 emacs - $0.00
- Teckla 16y ago
  Watching new users try to figure out how to exit these editors: priceless. (This is tongue-in-cheek! I use Vim!)
  - donw 16y ago
    I only have ten fingers, which is too few to use Emacs. (I kid, I kid)
markkanof 16y ago
Visual Studio Express (Fine for a lot of development tasks): $0.00
- danieldk 16y ago
  Visual Studio Professional (for students/educators): $0.00
  - arethuza 16y ago
    Visual Studio Professional (if you turn up at any Microsoft meeting where they launch a new version of VS): £0
    - alextingle 16y ago
      Yay. Free coasters!
      - danieldk 16y ago
        I have no problem with the price of Visual Studio, if I'd use Windows. Just setting the record straight with respect to the grandparent post. The bottom line is that many vendors learnt that to make tools available at a low price point for at least some audiences to capture mindshare.

Visual Studio: $549.00 Flash Builder: $699.00 TextMate: $56.00 Coda: $99.00 BBedit: $99.99 Xcode 4: $4.99

by jarin 16y ago

Visual Studio: $549.00 Flash Builder: $699.00 TextMate: $56.00 Coda: $99.00 BBedit: $99.99 Xcode 4: $4.99

rbanffy 16y ago

Eclipse: $0 NetBeans: $0 DevShed C++: $0 Emacs: $0 The complete GNU compiler collection: $0 Xcode 3: $0

jarin 16y ago
Don't forget Vim at least!
ptomato 16y ago
Xcode 3 was included with a $129 dollar OS and only would run on that one or later. Xcode 3.2 was included with a $29 OS and ditto.
- masklinn 16y ago
  Actually you could download Xcode (and the iOS SDKs) for free from Apple's website. It would only run on your $129/$29 OS, but technically you didn't have to use the shipped copy ever.
  - jarin 16y ago
    So… Effectively the same thing?
  - calloc 16y ago
    You can download download Xcode 3.x free if you log in at connect.apple.com, or on the xcode page on developer.apple.com you click on the "Looking for Xcode 3" link: http://imgur.com/cWRp6 http://imgur.com/cWRp6 http://imgur.com/8LHXW http://imgur.com/8LHXW This isn't the end of the world, it is not like now you no longer have access to the development tools. I wonder like a lot of people if this has to do with tax laws.
    - pyre 16y ago
      > it is not like now you no longer have access > to the development tools XCode 3 may still work now, but what does the future hold? Will it get updates? Or will it slowly become obsolete? If it just slowly dies, then this is a very shrewd move by Apple because the pain (i.e. "I have to pay to get any dev tools") comes some time in the future and the people can dismiss the nay-sayers right now with, "but you can still get X Code 3 for free!" If Apple were to immediately pull XCode 3, and all access to dev tools was pay-only, then it would be a lot easier for more people to side with the people decrying this move.
      - calloc 16y ago
        Many other people are also suggesting, and I would agree with them that come OS X Lion time Xcode will once again be shipped on the media that the OS comes on. I don't know what the future holds, I don't work at Apple, and if I did I am pretty sure I wouldn't be allowed to tell you. Sure we can speculate at this point, honestly I think that Xcode 3 has run its course and that Xcode 4 is the future. Xcode 4 being priced the way it is may be for tax reasons, Xcode 4 may be shipped with OS X Lion, Xcode 4 may later on be offered as a $50 package on the Mac App Store. We don't know. For now I hope, and tend to agree with people that Xcode 4 will be bundled with OS X Lion and at that point will be free once more.
mechanical_fish 16y ago
I love emacs and use it every day. And I'm glad that it's free software. But if Apple offered to keep my Mac's emacs install up to date for $4.99 I would pay in a heartbeat. I have to periodically check whether my version is out of date. When it is, I have to find the download URL, click on it, remember to come back when the package has downloaded, and run the installer. I have to do this on all of my machines. Sure, this isn't all that much work. But $4.99 isn't that much money, either.
- rbanffy 16y ago
  Paying is not the point. If paying for the software were easy for everyone who has a Mac everywhere, I would feel a little bit uncomfortable, but that would be all. My point is that this move may effectively shut off parts of the world that have no access to the Mac App Store. Don't get me wrong: I like Apple and used Apple computers since my early days as an Apple II developer. My main computers run Linux, but I like to keep a Mac around. What worries me is that this move actually hurts Apple a lot more than we may realize at first.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    Just as a side note that nicely illustrates how politics may interfere with this, when I got my first Apple II (a II+) it was actually a clone (http://orbita.starmedia.com/~cobit2/propagandas/exato_ago85.jpg http://orbita.starmedia.com/~cobit2/propagandas/exato_ago85....). At that time, importing computers to Brazil was prohibited. If I wanted to travel abroad, law mandated strict limits on how much money I could carry and buying an Apple II directly would be impossible. There were alternatives, smugglers that could bring almost anything you wanted, but then it would be a crime...
- nitrogen 16y ago
  Just curious, I'm assuming that switching to Linux to get automatic updates for all packages would cost you more than $5 in pain in other areas. Is that assumption correct?
  - 16y ago
eneveu 16y ago
IntelliJ IDEA 10 (personal license): 220€ Yes, I finally decided to take the plunge and buy it in December, after a few years using Eclipse. Never going back. I used to be a big Eclipse proponent, but I must say I don't understand the "I want free tooling" mentality anymore. If it's a tool you are going to use every day, the cost is nothing compared to the productivity gains.

dedward 16y ago

Xcode every other day before now: Free with your OS

jarin 16y ago
And your OS is either $30, or free with your $700+ Mac purchase
sigzero 16y ago
And? Apple never said (as far as I know) that "Xcode will be forever free" and really, are people bitching about $5?
- masklinn 16y ago
  > are people bitching about $5? Yes. Because Xcode has been free for 10 years it's taken for granted that Xcode is free, and because OSX's base install does contain any C compilers, it's in the Xcode install.
  - uxp 16y ago
    > OSX's base install does contain any C compilers, it's in the Xcode install. I think you ment to say "Doesn't" instead of does. This nullifies any argument that GCC and the Gnu Toolchain are free to download, if in a year from now the OS you buy doesn't contain GCC in the base install in order to download and compile GCC.
    - jarin 16y ago
      I don't know a ton about gcc internals, but I imagine it probably wouldn't be overly difficult to create an installer that puts a precompiled gcc into /usr/bin.

francoisdevlin 16y ago

vim - $0.00 emacs - $0.00

Teckla 16y ago
Watching new users try to figure out how to exit these editors: priceless. (This is tongue-in-cheek! I use Vim!)
- donw 16y ago
  I only have ten fingers, which is too few to use Emacs. (I kid, I kid)

markkanof 16y ago

Visual Studio Express (Fine for a lot of development tasks): $0.00

danieldk 16y ago
Visual Studio Professional (for students/educators): $0.00
- arethuza 16y ago
  Visual Studio Professional (if you turn up at any Microsoft meeting where they launch a new version of VS): £0
  - alextingle 16y ago
    Yay. Free coasters!
    - danieldk 16y ago
      I have no problem with the price of Visual Studio, if I'd use Windows. Just setting the record straight with respect to the grandparent post. The bottom line is that many vendors learnt that to make tools available at a low price point for at least some audiences to capture mindshare.