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Why they aren't just asking some additional classes after the lockout ? Why immediately ask for a refund after a clearly exceptional event for a curriculum that

by Rexxar 6y ago

Why they aren't just asking some additional classes after the lockout ? Why immediately ask for a refund after a clearly exceptional event for a curriculum that last probably many years ?

RobLach 6y ago
Negotiation
gibolt 6y ago
Why ask for a refund of a flight you were promised that isn't happening or could give you a disease that you could pass to your family? Even in extreme times, if you pay for something but get something other than what you were promised, adjustments need to be made.
- Rexxar 6y ago
  The flight has not been cancelled, it's just an air pocket.
DangitBobby 6y ago
The deal has been altered. They paid for in-person instruction and interaction with a professor and classmates, as well as numerous amenities and facilities, all of which contribute to the college experience. All of which comes at a hefty premium. Instead, they got online instruction, which is less valuable (even when it comes to tuition prices), and typically involves little to no instruction or interaction with a live professor. A partial refund does not seem incredibly unreasonable, except that universities may not be able to afford it.
- nicbou 6y ago
  Without the benefits you named, I'd argue that you get almost no value out of university. You end up paying a lot of money to teach yourself things. At that point, I'd rather rely on the excellent (free) resources available on the internet. Khan Academy did more for me than my university ever did.
pm90 6y ago
Why not just refund and let them enroll after the lockout? It seems like creating IOUs for this stuff is just gonna make it more complicated and prone to errors. If I put myself in their shoes, I would certainly prefer a refund now. Students have lesser avenues to obtain financing than universities; I imagine it’s more important to allow students to keep their finances in order rather than the university (which can access Government grants, PPP loans and apply for other kinds of relief. For those with endowments, they can dip into those funds too)
- Rexxar 6y ago
  > Why not just refund and let them enroll after the lockout? Because if everybody does this for everything at the same time the economy will collapse. Thing that can be solve later with a little negotiation should be solved later to cause as little as possible long term disruption.
  - pm90 6y ago
    Strongly disagree with the notion that students not paying tuition will trigger a systemic economic collapse. It would cause short term issues for Universities, sure.
  - michaelt 6y ago
    You think the students are in a stronger position economically than the universities? If I've ordered a new Ferrari, and the dealership can only get me a used Toyota Camry, would you have me pay Ferrari prices?

by Rexxar 6y ago

Why they aren't just asking some additional classes after the lockout ? Why immediately ask for a refund after a clearly exceptional event for a curriculum that last probably many years ?

RobLach 6y ago

Negotiation

gibolt 6y ago

Why ask for a refund of a flight you were promised that isn't happening or could give you a disease that you could pass to your family? Even in extreme times, if you pay for something but get something other than what you were promised, adjustments need to be made.

Rexxar 6y ago
The flight has not been cancelled, it's just an air pocket.

DangitBobby 6y ago

The deal has been altered. They paid for in-person instruction and interaction with a professor and classmates, as well as numerous amenities and facilities, all of which contribute to the college experience. All of which comes at a hefty premium. Instead, they got online instruction, which is less valuable (even when it comes to tuition prices), and typically involves little to no instruction or interaction with a live professor. A partial refund does not seem incredibly unreasonable, except that universities may not be able to afford it.

nicbou 6y ago
Without the benefits you named, I'd argue that you get almost no value out of university. You end up paying a lot of money to teach yourself things. At that point, I'd rather rely on the excellent (free) resources available on the internet. Khan Academy did more for me than my university ever did.

pm90 6y ago

Why not just refund and let them enroll after the lockout? It seems like creating IOUs for this stuff is just gonna make it more complicated and prone to errors. If I put myself in their shoes, I would certainly prefer a refund now. Students have lesser avenues to obtain financing than universities; I imagine it’s more important to allow students to keep their finances in order rather than the university (which can access Government grants, PPP loans and apply for other kinds of relief. For those with endowments, they can dip into those funds too)

Rexxar 6y ago
> Why not just refund and let them enroll after the lockout? Because if everybody does this for everything at the same time the economy will collapse. Thing that can be solve later with a little negotiation should be solved later to cause as little as possible long term disruption.
- pm90 6y ago
  Strongly disagree with the notion that students not paying tuition will trigger a systemic economic collapse. It would cause short term issues for Universities, sure.
- michaelt 6y ago
  You think the students are in a stronger position economically than the universities? If I've ordered a new Ferrari, and the dealership can only get me a used Toyota Camry, would you have me pay Ferrari prices?