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You can rise up and fix the system and get the leader you deserve, or you can complain about and do nothing else, and in that case you'll end up with the leader

You can rise up and fix the system and get the leader you deserve, or you can complain about and do nothing else, and in that case you'll end up with the leader you deserve.

Afforess 7y ago
This is more of the same sanctimonious toxicity. You don't know me. I already donate to act blue. I already go to political rally's. I already help get friends to go vote. I already am a member of local political groups. I am still not represented. No state or federal ballot I have ever cast has counted. Please don't tell people that they would ever deserve our current leaders. People deserve safety, stability, and basic decency, no matter what. Even if they make a mistake. Especially then. People deserve better.
- fractallyte 7y ago
  Stop paying your taxes. It's not meant as a flippant comment. Taxes are an exchange from citizens to state, in return for a certain duty of care. Yes, the system is set up to inflict severe punishment on dissenters - because tax money enables (or disables) government. But, the more people who rally around your political protest, the more effective it becomes...
- jbay808 7y ago
  Perhaps we can say, you got the leader that a large number of your countrymates deserved?
- deleted 7y ago
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- withdavidli 7y ago
  Disclaimer that I use similar remarks to the quote you disagree with. This is with the understanding that the price that needs to be paid will literally take lives at times, and that there is little to no fairness at who bears that cost. That being said, you seem to be quite active politically and doing more than most in this arena. At what point do you give up and move to where you think you'll be represented? This is assuming you have the means to go elsewhere. Some people operate on moving to where they are treated best, that includes the option of a different country.
  - kelnos 7y ago
    > Disclaimer that I use similar remarks to the quote you disagree with. This is with the understanding that the price that needs to be paid will literally take lives at times I guess it's easy to make those kinds of remarks when you know you won't be the one paying that price, huh?
    - withdavidli 7y ago
      I put zero reliance on external forces making the change I want to see and make decisions without this being a factor. It cuts out false hope. If I'm not willing to pay the price, I should not expect change.
- Fricken 7y ago
  The universe is the ultimate authority on what people do and don't deserve and I don't think you'll like what it has to say on the matter.
JSavageOne 7y ago
> You can rise up and fix the system and get the leader you deserve No individual can just "rise up and fix the system".
- Fricken 7y ago
  A clusterfuck of 300 million individuals, getting the leaders they deserve. You can't organize. You can't think outside the system that abuses you. A tiny cabal of openly corrupt individuals can push you all around. You got the leader you deserve.
  - kelnos 7y ago
    > You got the leader you deserve. Repeating it over and over in every post you make doesn't make it true. It just shows your callous disregard for humanity, which isn't likely to win you much agreement.
    - Fricken 6y ago
      You guys are showing a callous disregard for reality. Read about all the societies that have succumb to tyranny, it has happened many times. America is no special exception, and it's making all the same mistakes. Keep singing Kumbayah and see where it gets you.

You can rise up and fix the system and get the leader you deserve, or you can complain about and do nothing else, and in that case you'll end up with the leader you deserve.

Afforess 7y ago

This is more of the same sanctimonious toxicity. You don't know me. I already donate to act blue. I already go to political rally's. I already help get friends to go vote. I already am a member of local political groups. I am still not represented. No state or federal ballot I have ever cast has counted. Please don't tell people that they would ever deserve our current leaders. People deserve safety, stability, and basic decency, no matter what. Even if they make a mistake. Especially then. People deserve better.

fractallyte 7y ago
Stop paying your taxes. It's not meant as a flippant comment. Taxes are an exchange from citizens to state, in return for a certain duty of care. Yes, the system is set up to inflict severe punishment on dissenters - because tax money enables (or disables) government. But, the more people who rally around your political protest, the more effective it becomes...
jbay808 7y ago
Perhaps we can say, you got the leader that a large number of your countrymates deserved?
deleted 7y ago
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withdavidli 7y ago
Disclaimer that I use similar remarks to the quote you disagree with. This is with the understanding that the price that needs to be paid will literally take lives at times, and that there is little to no fairness at who bears that cost. That being said, you seem to be quite active politically and doing more than most in this arena. At what point do you give up and move to where you think you'll be represented? This is assuming you have the means to go elsewhere. Some people operate on moving to where they are treated best, that includes the option of a different country.
- kelnos 7y ago
  > Disclaimer that I use similar remarks to the quote you disagree with. This is with the understanding that the price that needs to be paid will literally take lives at times I guess it's easy to make those kinds of remarks when you know you won't be the one paying that price, huh?
  - withdavidli 7y ago
    I put zero reliance on external forces making the change I want to see and make decisions without this being a factor. It cuts out false hope. If I'm not willing to pay the price, I should not expect change.
Fricken 7y ago
The universe is the ultimate authority on what people do and don't deserve and I don't think you'll like what it has to say on the matter.

JSavageOne 7y ago

> You can rise up and fix the system and get the leader you deserve No individual can just "rise up and fix the system".

Fricken 7y ago
A clusterfuck of 300 million individuals, getting the leaders they deserve. You can't organize. You can't think outside the system that abuses you. A tiny cabal of openly corrupt individuals can push you all around. You got the leader you deserve.
- kelnos 7y ago
  > You got the leader you deserve. Repeating it over and over in every post you make doesn't make it true. It just shows your callous disregard for humanity, which isn't likely to win you much agreement.
  - Fricken 6y ago
    You guys are showing a callous disregard for reality. Read about all the societies that have succumb to tyranny, it has happened many times. America is no special exception, and it's making all the same mistakes. Keep singing Kumbayah and see where it gets you.