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> That people thought the Earth was flat before Galileo is a meme. Even Ancient Greeks knew it was round. Well knowledge wasn't spread as easily, and could be

> That people thought the Earth was flat before Galileo is a meme. Even Ancient Greeks knew it was round. Well knowledge wasn't spread as easily, and could be lost. People knew, then they didn't and so on. It doesn't detract from my point that flat earth is an example of an idea that died off when more people learn about it and scrutinize it. > In the end, slavery wasn't abolished by debates: it was abolished by literally sending troops to shoot slave owners. Abolishment of slavery took many angles since it was a massive change of society. Sure, you can pick one country where it required a war. But that doesn't mean the battle of ideas aspect is any less important. Even to rally troops you need to convince them their ideas are worth fighting for. > (communism) still accepted widely enough to turn Russia into Soviet Union Sure, and then we saw the results, and the bad idea died off (mostly)

lonelappde 6y ago
Have you not noticed that the most populous country in the world is run by a self-identifying Communist Party? And the USSR, #4 was Communist until it collapsed economically, not intellectually?
- aantthony 6y ago
  Communism collapsed intellectually in the West after the economic collapse of the USSR and the relevant death tolls. I know China is communist, but in democratic countries, for the most part, communism is an idea that died off.
  - monocasa 6y ago
    It's on the rise again. https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article237089274.html https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article237089274.h... I'd say it died off for generations because of active deplatforming of anyone involved rather than an open debate on the merits. For instance it was literally illegal to be a communist in the US due to the Communist Control Act of 1954.
- kortilla 6y ago
  China is not communist, at least not in any way related to the western definition. There is no common ownership of the means of production and there is still very much an independent state, money, and social classification.

lonelappde 6y ago

Have you not noticed that the most populous country in the world is run by a self-identifying Communist Party? And the USSR, #4 was Communist until it collapsed economically, not intellectually?

aantthony 6y ago
Communism collapsed intellectually in the West after the economic collapse of the USSR and the relevant death tolls. I know China is communist, but in democratic countries, for the most part, communism is an idea that died off.
- monocasa 6y ago
  It's on the rise again. https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article237089274.html https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article237089274.h... I'd say it died off for generations because of active deplatforming of anyone involved rather than an open debate on the merits. For instance it was literally illegal to be a communist in the US due to the Communist Control Act of 1954.
kortilla 6y ago
China is not communist, at least not in any way related to the western definition. There is no common ownership of the means of production and there is still very much an independent state, money, and social classification.