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Xcode 3 appears to still be a free download. Xcode 4 is free if you're a registered developer (which costs $99/year), or $5 from the app store. gcc is obviousl

Xcode 3 appears to still be a free download. Xcode 4 is free if you're a registered developer (which costs $99/year), or $5 from the app store. gcc is obviously still free, if you get it from anyone other than Apple.

tensor 16y ago
In my experience, Apple's gcc is still the recommended version. Hopefully solid non-apple gcc packages come out. I don't like the idea of paying $5 to apple to develop generic unix applications on OS X.
- randrews 16y ago
  Oh, I'm sure they will. The only reason Apple's gcc is still the recommended version is that nobody cared enough before to make an alternative one. Now that saving five bucks is involved, people will move mountains to make it happen. :)
- adsr 16y ago
  Apples GCC is available for free, or llvm/clang. The $5 is for the IDE. And this is for the preview only so far, as far as I can tell.
  - _delirium 16y ago
    Apple's gcc isn't available from Apple in an installable form outside of XCode, though. Their version on opensource.apple.com is just the source, so somebody else would have to host a binary. Definitely doable, but will be a change from the current practice, which is to expect users to have an Apple-supplied compiler binary.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    They are not available for free because they come bundled with US$ 5 worth of IDE and cannot be separated.
    - adsr 16y ago
      Yes they are, see my other post. _delirium has a point though, but I'm sure it will be solved somehow. Hopefully from here. http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/ http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/
zerohp 16y ago
The question in my mind is what they will do with Xcode for OSX Lion. I don't use Xcode itself, but I always install it to get the tools and libraries I need to compile other software. If Lion requires users to pay $5 to get the necessary dependencies to build other free software tools, this will be a step back from the status quo.
- noarchy 16y ago
  Xcode has normally shipped with OS X install DVDs (though a lot of folks download it anyway, as this gets you the latest version). I'm wondering if they'll ship it with Lion. I'm guessing that they will not.
  - ptomato 16y ago
    I bet they will, just like they're shipping Facetime with Lion.
    - noarchy 16y ago
      It would offer a bit of an incentive for anyone thinking of upgrading to Lion. Why not throw in the IDE? I'm just not sure that they will.
      - ptomato 16y ago
        They did with all previous versions of Xcode, I don't see why they'd stop now.
  - girasquid 16y ago
    I've got one of the new Macbook Airs, and they definitely didn't ship any sort of developer tools on the little installer USB that came with it - all I got was an OS X installer. If that's any indication, it sounds like Xcode won't be getting bundled with installation media anymore.
  - yrashk 16y ago
    not shipped with mac book airs
A1kmm 16y ago
Not to mention that a compiler won't do you much good without a linker. MingW and GNU platform systems like most Linux distributions use ld from binutils, but that doesn't support Mach-O so is useless on OS X.

tensor 16y ago

In my experience, Apple's gcc is still the recommended version. Hopefully solid non-apple gcc packages come out. I don't like the idea of paying $5 to apple to develop generic unix applications on OS X.

randrews 16y ago
Oh, I'm sure they will. The only reason Apple's gcc is still the recommended version is that nobody cared enough before to make an alternative one. Now that saving five bucks is involved, people will move mountains to make it happen. :)
adsr 16y ago
Apples GCC is available for free, or llvm/clang. The $5 is for the IDE. And this is for the preview only so far, as far as I can tell.
- _delirium 16y ago
  Apple's gcc isn't available from Apple in an installable form outside of XCode, though. Their version on opensource.apple.com is just the source, so somebody else would have to host a binary. Definitely doable, but will be a change from the current practice, which is to expect users to have an Apple-supplied compiler binary.
- rbanffy 16y ago
  They are not available for free because they come bundled with US$ 5 worth of IDE and cannot be separated.
  - adsr 16y ago
    Yes they are, see my other post. _delirium has a point though, but I'm sure it will be solved somehow. Hopefully from here. http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/ http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/

zerohp 16y ago

The question in my mind is what they will do with Xcode for OSX Lion. I don't use Xcode itself, but I always install it to get the tools and libraries I need to compile other software. If Lion requires users to pay $5 to get the necessary dependencies to build other free software tools, this will be a step back from the status quo.

noarchy 16y ago
Xcode has normally shipped with OS X install DVDs (though a lot of folks download it anyway, as this gets you the latest version). I'm wondering if they'll ship it with Lion. I'm guessing that they will not.
- ptomato 16y ago
  I bet they will, just like they're shipping Facetime with Lion.
  - noarchy 16y ago
    It would offer a bit of an incentive for anyone thinking of upgrading to Lion. Why not throw in the IDE? I'm just not sure that they will.
    - ptomato 16y ago
      They did with all previous versions of Xcode, I don't see why they'd stop now.
- girasquid 16y ago
  I've got one of the new Macbook Airs, and they definitely didn't ship any sort of developer tools on the little installer USB that came with it - all I got was an OS X installer. If that's any indication, it sounds like Xcode won't be getting bundled with installation media anymore.
- yrashk 16y ago
  not shipped with mac book airs

A1kmm 16y ago

Not to mention that a compiler won't do you much good without a linker. MingW and GNU platform systems like most Linux distributions use ld from binutils, but that doesn't support Mach-O so is useless on OS X.