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Problem solved! Yay another person that thinks if something doesn't fix the issue 100% then it can't be considered. This is taking away their access to a platf

Problem solved! Yay another person that thinks if something doesn't fix the issue 100% then it can't be considered. This is taking away their access to a platform that has global reach. They already had platforms where they didn't engage in debate, btw; they're called youtube channels with heavily-moderated chat sections. Except there they can reach millions of people.

Zenst 6y ago
It would of been better to leave it there, but had a disclaimer warning that couldn't be skipped akin to the old piracy warnings on purchased movie DVD's. You also won't stop such types of content from appearing on said platforms, less popular but still they will appear, get popular and get closed down. But that's an issue with some types of content that all social media platforms have. No solution will be 100%, let's not presume that there will ever be 100% solution. Though is this the best approach. Exposing and debating head on would be the better solution and this eliminates that.
- lovehashbrowns 6y ago
  The key component is them having access to a platform with global reach. Exposing and debating hasn't been working all that well, has it? These 5G conspiracy theories are absurdly easy to bust. Yet here we are, with people attacking 5G towers and threatening employees. 9/11 conspiracy theories are still popular. Moon landing conspiracy theories. Debating in an of itself doesn't work. Humans aren't perfectly logical. ugh there are literally people who think the Earth is flat. There are literally people who think the Earth is flat!
  - Zenst 6y ago
    >ugh there are literally people who think the Earth is flat. There are literally people who think the Earth is flat! True, should they ban that as well? Though they havn't been going around flattening mountains or any other harm, so there is that. Not all those who believe conspiracy stuff, act upon it. Some will, those are more the ones who will engage in lesser, more niche platforms in which such content will run, along with more such content. Thus, driving many who will want to watch it to be exposed to other platforms in which such content is less tacked as more echo chambers and this is not something to be overlooked. Thing is, whatever you do, there will always be some and with so many humans, the odds of there being more than one is a given. Do you ridicule/educate in public or cast aside to dark corners in which they can carry on unchecked.
    - lovehashbrowns 6y ago
      When flat Earthers start protesting quarantines during a pandemic, try to intimidate elected officials with guns, try to destroy 5g towers, and threaten employees of a private company, yeah we can talk about taking them off youtube. I don't understand how you think these channels aren't echo chambers already. They are... Them being on youtube doesn't change that. It only allows them to easily reach millions of people who they otherwise wouldn't reach.
      - Zenst 6y ago
        Sure it allows millions, but how many will take it seriously and how many will be sat on the fence about it. By removing them from youtube you put those sat on the fence down a path of thinking, ok what are they hiding here. You also push those who believe it anyhow away from any exposure of debate towards niche area's, area's in which those sat on the fence may visit and without balanced debate, get drawn into things even deeper. Maybe the right action for this, maybe not. Hard to really measure it beyond cell tower death rates and I'm fairly sure we have past the peak upon that surge.

Zenst 6y ago

It would of been better to leave it there, but had a disclaimer warning that couldn't be skipped akin to the old piracy warnings on purchased movie DVD's. You also won't stop such types of content from appearing on said platforms, less popular but still they will appear, get popular and get closed down. But that's an issue with some types of content that all social media platforms have. No solution will be 100%, let's not presume that there will ever be 100% solution. Though is this the best approach. Exposing and debating head on would be the better solution and this eliminates that.

lovehashbrowns 6y ago
The key component is them having access to a platform with global reach. Exposing and debating hasn't been working all that well, has it? These 5G conspiracy theories are absurdly easy to bust. Yet here we are, with people attacking 5G towers and threatening employees. 9/11 conspiracy theories are still popular. Moon landing conspiracy theories. Debating in an of itself doesn't work. Humans aren't perfectly logical. ugh there are literally people who think the Earth is flat. There are literally people who think the Earth is flat!
- Zenst 6y ago
  >ugh there are literally people who think the Earth is flat. There are literally people who think the Earth is flat! True, should they ban that as well? Though they havn't been going around flattening mountains or any other harm, so there is that. Not all those who believe conspiracy stuff, act upon it. Some will, those are more the ones who will engage in lesser, more niche platforms in which such content will run, along with more such content. Thus, driving many who will want to watch it to be exposed to other platforms in which such content is less tacked as more echo chambers and this is not something to be overlooked. Thing is, whatever you do, there will always be some and with so many humans, the odds of there being more than one is a given. Do you ridicule/educate in public or cast aside to dark corners in which they can carry on unchecked.
  - lovehashbrowns 6y ago
    When flat Earthers start protesting quarantines during a pandemic, try to intimidate elected officials with guns, try to destroy 5g towers, and threaten employees of a private company, yeah we can talk about taking them off youtube. I don't understand how you think these channels aren't echo chambers already. They are... Them being on youtube doesn't change that. It only allows them to easily reach millions of people who they otherwise wouldn't reach.
    - Zenst 6y ago
      Sure it allows millions, but how many will take it seriously and how many will be sat on the fence about it. By removing them from youtube you put those sat on the fence down a path of thinking, ok what are they hiding here. You also push those who believe it anyhow away from any exposure of debate towards niche area's, area's in which those sat on the fence may visit and without balanced debate, get drawn into things even deeper. Maybe the right action for this, maybe not. Hard to really measure it beyond cell tower death rates and I'm fairly sure we have past the peak upon that surge.