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Xcode 4 released
- waffenklang 16y agoIt looks like Embarcadero's Delphi, even with that own debugger stuff. All in one.
- phren0logy 16y agoNo longer available free for those without the $99 Mac or iOS developer membership. It is, however, only $5 from the app store.
- oemera 16y agoWow! Apple is really doing some weird things lately. I don't like where this is heading. But when you think about the price and what you are getting it's unbeatable.
- NumberFiveAlive 16y agoI would say 'free' beats it, even at $5. Still, it's gonna be worth it for the single window interface alone.
- benbeltran 16y agoEven though $5 is pretty cheap. There is a lot of power in 'free' (As Dan Ariely would say), and I'm sure there will be some bad consequences for apple here, but not that many and maybe it's worth it for their new strategy for developers. What that strategy is, I have no clue.
- oemera 16y agoYeah sure free beats it. Most times. I mean sometimes people don't see the value when they are getting it for free. Example: Guy finds a bug in a free software and thinks 'what doesn't cost nothing can't be anything'. But these people are mostly end users not developers. Long story short: I don't have a clue why Apple is selling XCode 4 BUT when I look at Microsoft you are getting a hell of a software for just 5 bucks. (Visual Studio costs 1500 bucks I think, to be fair there is also a Express (free) edition) Anyway, I love the new XCode one window interface!
- originalgeek 16y agoI'll pony up the $5 but I have to say, Apple sure is ignoring past lessons of the industry. Namely, those with free dev tools have little problem attracting developers.
- noarchy 16y agoEven MS gives away its Express Editions for VS. I'm a little surprised to see Apple move to a paid model, though $5 is very cheap, I admit.
- tptacek 16y agoA gobsmackingly weird comment considering that for the majority of the lifetime of the most popular application development platform on the planet, its development tools cost hundreds of dollars.
- irons 16y agoYou're mistaken. Xcode 3 and 4 are still available with the $99/year dev memberships for iOS or Mac OS X.
- uxp 16y agoI think you misread what he wrote. Xcode 3 is free for anyone with a free developer account. Today, the newest version of Xcode was released, Xcode 4, and it is not available for free with a developer account, it is $4.99 in the Mac App Store. If you happen to be a member of the Mac Developer Program, or the iOS Developer program, both of which cost $99 per year, then it is included in your subscription and you may download it for free.
- cmaggard 16y agoIt figures that this would come out just when I let the latest version download overnight for a new computer. That having been said, I'm excited to give it a spin. I've heard a lot of great things about it.
- alextgordon 16y agoHah! My developer membership expired a few hours ago (ok they did give me 15 days' notice). So I have to spend $5 or wait a day for them to reactivate it. sigh
- stevederico 16y agoIf you are logged in and are trying to download but are getting an access denied error, go to http://developer.apple.com/membercenter http://developer.apple.com/membercenter and accept the new terms. You should now be able to download from http://developer.apple.com/xcode/ http://developer.apple.com/xcode/
- msluyter 16y agoI also ran across this, and on the error page, neither of the links for Apple support worked. It sometimes amazes me that a company that's generally as polished as Apple can still suffer from bugs like this one.
- orenmazor 16y agoSince when do you have to be a member of the ios or mac developer programs to download xcode? I'm pretty sure I've downloaded previous versions just using my apple account.
- originalgeek 16y agoSince when do you get downvoted on hn for speaking the truth? Oh, yeah, always.
- orenmazor 16y agoI actually laughed when I saw that happen. amazing.
- aquarin 16y agoVoting has always puzzling me here, but karma is not the pathway to haven.
- originalgeek 16y agoIt's not about the karma, it's about people attempting to silence those who simply speak the truth. HN fades one's comments more for each step below 0. I'm not sure how it works, but I assume eventually your posts fade into the background color.
- tvon 16y agoThe problem seems to have resolved itself.
- scott_s 16y agoAll 62 days of always? Your post and the parent's post were posted one minute apart. If you see a post that you think is unfairly downmodded, upmod it and hope others will be as fair as you are. That approach has worked well for me for some time.
- noarchy 16y agoHell, Xcode was on the OS X install discs. You didn't even need to download it, unless you wanted the latest version. Not anymore, I guess?
- martythemaniak 16y agoLooks heavily inspired by Eclipse, and I mean that in a good way.
- jrnkntl 16y agoWow, what a pleasant surprise. Didn't think it would be released before Lion.
- starnix17 16y agoIt's great software, and definitely worth $5, but one thing concerns me. Most open source software I use requires Xcode to be installed in order to use GCC and other build tools. Does this mean you'll have to purchase Xcode 4 in order to (easily) install these tools from now on?
- geuis 16y agoXcode is free. I'm not sure where you're getting $5 from. You do need to create an account to access the download page, but again that is free too. Edit Ok, when I clicked through the link and downloaded it, I got no $$ warnings. Then as I read some other comments, I see that Apple has changed this. I didn't see anything about needing to pay because I have the paid dev account.
- zerohp 16y agoXcode 4 is not free. I have a free developer account which I use to download previous version and where you see the download page, it refers me to the app store.
- scott_s 16y agoFor those not registered as iOS or Mac developers (which is $99 a year), it's a $5 download from the App Store: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xcode/id422352214?mt=12&ls=1 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xcode/id422352214?mt=12&l...
- cschep 16y agoI totally agree that software is worth paying for, especially at 5$, but what is it that rubs the wrong way about this? It's so irritating. Developer tools should be free. Charge more for something else! If I may quote PG: "They make such great stuff, but they're such assholes. Do I really want to support this company?" This is only getting more and more true. Stop it Apple!
- scott_s 16y agoI want to point out Visual Studio (http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/ http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/), but I don't know how it compares. The Express version is free, but the "Utlimate" version is almost $12,000. There are "Premium" and "Professional" below that. I don't know how the features of the various versions compare to XCode.
- alexknight 16y agoIf you're just learning iOS, you can still download 3.2.6 for free by logging into the Dev Center with a standard iTunes account. If you just want to play around, I'd recommend that. https://developer.apple.com/devcenter/mac/index.action https://developer.apple.com/devcenter/mac/index.action is where you'll find the download (unless they decide to pull that).
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- jedsmith 16y agoYou can get the iOS SDKs without paying? I thought it was only 10.5 and 10.6 you could get without being in the iOS Developer Program.
- frankus 16y agoYou can get the (release) iOS SDK for free, but can only run your code in the simulator. When you pony up $99, Apple will sign your code-signing certificate so that your code can run on unmodified devices, and they will also allow you to submit apps to the App Store.
- DeusExMachina 16y agoI have been using it since the first developer preview, and I have to say that is really a leap forward. Apple seems to have learned from good features in other IDEs. Still not perfect, but much better than version 3. But it surprises me to see the final release this soon. The GM seed 2 still had some issues, especially with syntax coloring/code autocompletion, which is now tied do LLVM. I hope they addressed this in the proper way, since the last GM seed was just 5 days ago. When the syntax indexing broke, it rendered XCode totally unusable (I had to reinstall version 3 since I was not able to solve the problem in any way and I found a thread in the Apple forum where people where complaining about this issue). EDIT: some grammar.
- callmeed 16y agoFYI, I was getting an error when trying to download (I'm a registered dev). Turns out I had to agree to their updated license agreement first. In case anyone else runs into errors downloading.
- jtdowney 16y agoI wonder if they will package the toolchain sans IDE for free as a download. Otherwise in the future package managers on OS X (homebrew, macports, fink, etc) may have a $5 entry fee.
- CJefferson 16y agoI really hope the toolchain is released for free. Even if it is not, the various apps are open source, so I imagine someone will knock together a free downloadable toolchain.
- rauljara 16y agoI know it's not new, but I still get a kick every time I see "Zombie Detection" listed on the features page and I re-realize it's not a joke. "Zombie Detection: Hard-to-find application errors and crashes can be trapped within Instruments when an application tries to access memory no longer available."
- achompas 16y ago"Wow, I'd love to develop for Mac! Let's see...where's Xcode..." Dev navigates to the App Store. "Ah! Here we are. Now I can make splendid apps for Mac and iOS like I've always want--" He notices the $5 fee...jaw drops, eyes bug out. "What is THIS?! A price for DEV TOOLS?! Confound it all, now I can't develop for the platforms I love!" Buries head in hands, then looks to the heavens. "JOOOOOOOOOOOBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBS!!!" End scene. -- Working title of this play: "The Story of a Developer That Doesn't Exist."
- jonny_eh 16y agoHow much do Microsoft's dev tools cost? (honest question)
- achompas 16y agoMy experience: they're free, but they cost a piece of your sanity. [0] I wanted to set up Visual Studio Express on my Windows partition just so I could screw around with Silverlight. Two hours, about 12 forum threads, and three beers later, I vowed to never develop anything for Microsoft. [0] http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2010-editions/express http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2010-ed...
- self 16y agoThe SDKs are free, and ship with compilers. The Express GUI development environments are free, but limited.
- gte525u 16y agoThere are third party tools like sharpdevelop which are generally better than the express tools.
- oemera 16y agoThere are free (Express) versions of Visual Studio but they lack those awesome Visual Studio Professional features AND Visual Studio Professional costs 1500 bucks.
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- tvon 16y agoI can't dig anything up, does anyone know if there are officially documented ways to build extensions for xcode? Say, to support other languages?
- zppx 16y agoWill there be a way for me to install the developer tools for the command line (a C compiler, the C library headers, linker, assembler, and debugger) without using the App Store?
- Poiesis 16y agoI'm kind of wondering what drove this move to a paid app. Driving away pathological customers? Increasing app quality? Somehow tying every OS X and iOS app--for sale or otherwise--to an identity/credit card? If it's a signed app, they could in theory attach some signature to everything you build, even for Cydia or the like.
- KevinMS 16y agoNow I'm baffled. I downloaded Xcode yesterday, and today I was going to start mac programming for the first time, and now Xcode is 5 dollars or join? Do I need to join now? I seem to have access already to their documentation so I'm completely baffled. I think I'll try development for all three, iphone, ipad and mac apps. I think you also need a license to develop iphone apps? Ugh, Help! Am I going to lose access to this page soon? Or is there more I need? http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/navigation/ http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/navigation/ EDIT: found this "Basically, $99 gets you access to beta software, 2 tech support incidents, and access to developers resources - videos and forums." So I guess the docs will still be free at that link. Also, you seem to be able to develop iphone apps and run on the simulator, but to transfer to a actual iphone, you need a type of license, which I assume is included in the ios developer program.
- lordgilman 16y agoI wonder if the price is motivated by the cost of bandwidth. A free, multi-gigabyte Xcode that can be downloaded easily off the App Store would bring in many downloads from people with no use for it. Maybe the $5 price is just enough to cut back on the quantity demanded and impulse downloads.
- cardinalblue 16y agoSuppose I have 4 Macs but only 1 developer account ($99 per year). Can I download Xcode 4 for free on all 3 machines, or is there a limit on the number of Macs per developer account? Has anyone tried this?
- rbarooah 16y agoApple believes software is worth money. I guess a lot of people here don't. Which I find odd.
- rbarooah 16y agoApple believes software is worth money. I'm not sure why that surprises people. What does surprise me is that people here don't.
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