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> Anybody can buy a domain for the price of two coffees and have full control over their email addresses the only control you have if you go the "own mail serv

> Anybody can buy a domain for the price of two coffees and have full control over their email addresses the only control you have if you go the "own mail server" route is the control on your tears when you see that your mails are rejected by every other mail server in existence because you made it in some random blacklist

411111111111111 7y ago
Don't have to run your own mail server, nor would your mails be rejected necessarily... There are a lot of providers around which let you use your own domain. And if you're using your own domain, you're always able to switch providers by updating your mx records. But I wouldn't ask my family to do that either, that's just something for tech enthusiasts and people that make their actual living by being reachable through mail (contractors etc)
toohotatopic 7y ago
You can start by using the mail service of the domain provider. [edit:] On the other hand, if one wants to run his own mail server: From the last hn discussions about blacklists, I got the impression that [running your own mail server] is not an issue as long as you correctly navigate the anti-spam mechanisms. It's not obvious, but also not a black art. I would rather be bothered by server security. Since email is so vital, how do you secure your server against recent vulnerabilities if you are offline, e.g. if you are on a vacation.
- okintheory 7y ago
  You're basically admitting that getting this right is non-trivial. Do you expect everyone to do it? Your barista? Your doctor? Similar argument: "Why do we even have doctors? Anyone can buy a medical textbook."
  - toohotatopic 7y ago
    Sorry, I reshuffled my comment too much. This should have been: >You can start by using the mail service of the domain provider. >From the last hn discussions about blacklists, I got the impression that ~this~ [running your own mail server] is not an issue as long as I absolutely expect my doctor to be able to register his own domain in the same vein that my doctor expects me to not lick Corona infested door handles right now. Registering a domain is like taking medicine. We expect everybody to be able to do it. It's the building of domain management infrastructure, the software that sells domains to the users, that is out of reach for the doctor. Similarly, I expect a barista to register a domain. It's not magic. If he has made his own Amazon, Netflix and Spotify account then he can make one more.
detaro 7y ago
Why do you equate "own domain" with "run your own mail server"? There are reputable mail providers that allow you to use your own domain through their setup, many webhosting places do a decent job of it, ...
- jcelerier 7y ago
  It's not "owning a domain" that I equate with "run your own mail server", but "have full control over their email addresses".
  - detaro 7y ago
    Fair enough, but I'd argue being able to move said addresses, without needing cooperation of the mail hoster, at any point is pretty good along the control axis. (Don't forget to have an independent backup of your inbox though if you want to be safe!)
gsich 7y ago
Only with shitty IPs.

411111111111111 7y ago

Don't have to run your own mail server, nor would your mails be rejected necessarily... There are a lot of providers around which let you use your own domain. And if you're using your own domain, you're always able to switch providers by updating your mx records. But I wouldn't ask my family to do that either, that's just something for tech enthusiasts and people that make their actual living by being reachable through mail (contractors etc)

toohotatopic 7y ago

You can start by using the mail service of the domain provider. [edit:] On the other hand, if one wants to run his own mail server: From the last hn discussions about blacklists, I got the impression that [running your own mail server] is not an issue as long as you correctly navigate the anti-spam mechanisms. It's not obvious, but also not a black art. I would rather be bothered by server security. Since email is so vital, how do you secure your server against recent vulnerabilities if you are offline, e.g. if you are on a vacation.

okintheory 7y ago
You're basically admitting that getting this right is non-trivial. Do you expect everyone to do it? Your barista? Your doctor? Similar argument: "Why do we even have doctors? Anyone can buy a medical textbook."
- toohotatopic 7y ago
  Sorry, I reshuffled my comment too much. This should have been: >You can start by using the mail service of the domain provider. >From the last hn discussions about blacklists, I got the impression that ~this~ [running your own mail server] is not an issue as long as I absolutely expect my doctor to be able to register his own domain in the same vein that my doctor expects me to not lick Corona infested door handles right now. Registering a domain is like taking medicine. We expect everybody to be able to do it. It's the building of domain management infrastructure, the software that sells domains to the users, that is out of reach for the doctor. Similarly, I expect a barista to register a domain. It's not magic. If he has made his own Amazon, Netflix and Spotify account then he can make one more.

detaro 7y ago

Why do you equate "own domain" with "run your own mail server"? There are reputable mail providers that allow you to use your own domain through their setup, many webhosting places do a decent job of it, ...

jcelerier 7y ago
It's not "owning a domain" that I equate with "run your own mail server", but "have full control over their email addresses".
- detaro 7y ago
  Fair enough, but I'd argue being able to move said addresses, without needing cooperation of the mail hoster, at any point is pretty good along the control axis. (Don't forget to have an independent backup of your inbox though if you want to be safe!)

gsich 7y ago

Only with shitty IPs.