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>You can't blame volcanoes or cow farts because the cycle has run just fine with them for millions of years. But I can ask questions like "is the environment s

by ddxxdd 6y ago

>You can't blame volcanoes or cow farts because the cycle has run just fine with them for millions of years. But I can ask questions like "is the environment so unstable that a 5% change will push the balance out of equilibrium? Have cow farts and volcanos really been so stable over millions of years? Are there other negative feedbacks that we're missing? Why can't we focus on modifying the 95% of producers or 100% of consumers instead of focusing on crashing our economy over the 5% of CO2 that we make?" Etc. It's one thing to point to a true fact and explain why it doesn't come to a conclusion that you think people think it implies. It's another thing to have a comment flagged for deletion because it brings up facts that run counter to a certain narrative. The idea that a statement of truth is labelled as "intentionally deceptive" by certain people with an agenda is a tremendous red flag for outside observers.

titzer 6y ago
You are welcome to ask any questions you like, at the risk of continually dragging the discussion back to remedial things that have been addressed, at length and in detail, to very high confidence, by hundreds of papers. It's hard to distinguish sometimes between honest questions out of curiosity and active disruption campaigns by highly motivated trolls. I'm not calling you a troll here, but I've seen so many discussions about this topic that TBH the kinds of questions you ask and the manner in which you persist set off alarm bells, especially bringing up the red herring about economic impacts, which belies a different set of priorities besides an interest in the details of our impact on climate. As such I am less inclined to engage with you and instead would point you to reading detailed materials that address your questions (spoiler alert: this 5% you continue to hammer on is not the cumulative number, but nevertheless, yes, absolutely, the climate is very sensitive to CO2 levels and we have already experienced warming due to it, and have already locked in future warming because of where we have pushed CO2 levels). The IPCC reports on climate change are a good place to start. They aren't perfect, but they are the sum of many thousands upon thousands of professional researchers who study exactly the questions that you raise. If you're instead interested in dismissing many people's work with some silly gotchas using "common sense", then I'm just going to wander off now.

by ddxxdd 6y ago

titzer 6y ago

You are welcome to ask any questions you like, at the risk of continually dragging the discussion back to remedial things that have been addressed, at length and in detail, to very high confidence, by hundreds of papers. It's hard to distinguish sometimes between honest questions out of curiosity and active disruption campaigns by highly motivated trolls. I'm not calling you a troll here, but I've seen so many discussions about this topic that TBH the kinds of questions you ask and the manner in which you persist set off alarm bells, especially bringing up the red herring about economic impacts, which belies a different set of priorities besides an interest in the details of our impact on climate. As such I am less inclined to engage with you and instead would point you to reading detailed materials that address your questions (spoiler alert: this 5% you continue to hammer on is not the cumulative number, but nevertheless, yes, absolutely, the climate is very sensitive to CO2 levels and we have already experienced warming due to it, and have already locked in future warming because of where we have pushed CO2 levels). The IPCC reports on climate change are a good place to start. They aren't perfect, but they are the sum of many thousands upon thousands of professional researchers who study exactly the questions that you raise. If you're instead interested in dismissing many people's work with some silly gotchas using "common sense", then I'm just going to wander off now.