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Cloud is not a backup. Seems a lot of people tend to forget that.

foepys 6y ago
Copying the data to an external drive and keeping it in the same location as the original is even worse. Where do it put it? The bank only has so many safe-deposit boxes - mine doesn't have any available atm. Giving the drive to friends or family isn't viable either because I need to encrypt the data and need to store the keys somewhere. So the cloud, i.e. AWS, Azure, Backblaze, etc. is actually a pretty good place.
- diffeomorphism 6y ago
  It is not either or. There is a reason why it is 3-2-1. > Giving the drive to friends or family isn't viable either because I need to encrypt the data and need to store the keys somewhere. ? You don't need to store the keys anywhere, just a password. And even if you can't remember passwords, the threat model "friends and family" allows for easy passphrases or even sticky notes with password hints.
HenryBemis 6y ago
Depends on the "Cloud".. cloud is and will always be "someone else's computer, somewhere else". Google Drive is not a backup. Carbonite (or Crashplan) is a backup solution. Of course a successful backup needs to be at least "3-2-1". Not "1" (Google Drive).
- deathtrader666 6y ago
  Why isn't Google Drive considered backup?
  - protomyth 6y ago
    Well, if they nuke your Google account, it would probably be good to have a backup with a different company.
- Multicomp 6y ago
  One thing I'm excited for is when syncthing implements encrypted devices, so that I and a family member can have syncthing folders that we share with each of them for each of our respective backups. They share data with me and my computer holds it safely for them even though I can't read it myself, and vice versa. their house burns down or is flooded? They have their data ready to download from my machine. Same for me. No cloud provider necessary. I want more redundancy? Add more encrypted devices somewhere else, whether it be the family member living out west, the former coworker living in Japan, or the vps I bought for $5 on sale one day.

Copying the data to an external drive and keeping it in the same location as the original is even worse. Where do it put it? The bank only has so many safe-deposit boxes - mine doesn't have any available atm. Giving the drive to friends or family isn't viable either because I need to encrypt the data and need to store the keys somewhere. So the cloud, i.e. AWS, Azure, Backblaze, etc. is actually a pretty good place.

diffeomorphism 6y ago
It is not either or. There is a reason why it is 3-2-1. > Giving the drive to friends or family isn't viable either because I need to encrypt the data and need to store the keys somewhere. ? You don't need to store the keys anywhere, just a password. And even if you can't remember passwords, the threat model "friends and family" allows for easy passphrases or even sticky notes with password hints.

HenryBemis 6y ago

Depends on the "Cloud".. cloud is and will always be "someone else's computer, somewhere else". Google Drive is not a backup. Carbonite (or Crashplan) is a backup solution. Of course a successful backup needs to be at least "3-2-1". Not "1" (Google Drive).

deathtrader666 6y ago
Why isn't Google Drive considered backup?
- protomyth 6y ago
  Well, if they nuke your Google account, it would probably be good to have a backup with a different company.
Multicomp 6y ago
One thing I'm excited for is when syncthing implements encrypted devices, so that I and a family member can have syncthing folders that we share with each of them for each of our respective backups. They share data with me and my computer holds it safely for them even though I can't read it myself, and vice versa. their house burns down or is flooded? They have their data ready to download from my machine. Same for me. No cloud provider necessary. I want more redundancy? Add more encrypted devices somewhere else, whether it be the family member living out west, the former coworker living in Japan, or the vps I bought for $5 on sale one day.