I don't think we can hang all of those failures on Steve. Some of them, but not all. By my recollection, Taligent, 20th, Portable, and Newton were all released

I don't think we can hang all of those failures on Steve. Some of them, but not all. By my recollection, Taligent, 20th, Portable, and Newton were all released during his exile (if you want to call Taligent being "released"). I think they were all on Sculley's watch, but I might be mistaken. Lisa was definitely all Jobs, all-singing, all-dancing Jobs. And ROKR... I didn't understand it then and I don't understand it now. You could slough it off as being a Motorola failure. It was about as successful as Microsoft's investment in Danger, minus the six hundred million dollars invested :-) Anyhow, yes of course Apple has failures. So has Steve personally (NeXT!), and I never suggested otherwise. My point was that very few people trying to compete with him adopt his methods. This is really the crux of my perspective: here are these companies getting beaten up by Apple and by Google, and somehow they refuse to learn from their opponent.