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That’s weird. Could you provide a link to the white paper that says that about Safecoin? I’ve never heard of that document. Please bear in mind that there is a

That’s weird. Could you provide a link to the white paper that says that about Safecoin? I’ve never heard of that document. Please bear in mind that there is another project (started after MaidSafe) that decided to use the Safecoin name. I think it’s a scam. It has nothing to do with MaidSafe or the SAFE Network. This is the website for that project (https://safecoin.org/ https://safecoin.org/). Once again, it is completely unrelated to MaidSafe.

xiphias2 6y ago
I see, that's said, I probably checked that one. It would be probably better, if the web site of this project would be much more technical, as there are just too many buzzwords for me to take it seriously. I don't see how it solves a concrete problem. All infrastructure has good and bad sides, and the bad side is not well documented.
- SotRos25 6y ago
  Which website are you talking about? Hopefully not the fake one (https://safecoin.org/ https://safecoin.org/). If you want to get more technical, do read the weekly updates (I think I’ve already provided a link to one somewhere above in this thread). Also, I’d recommend checking out the forum (https://safenetforum.org/ https://safenetforum.org/) where there are a lot of in-depth technical discussions. The weekly updates and the various discussions on the forum are very transparent on what’s working well along with what are still significant challenges that they are dressing and how. The MaidSafe devs often post RFCs to get community perspective on how to tackle some of the meaty issues. Here’s an example of one such RFC (https://safenetforum.org/t/rfc-data-types-refinement/30508/106 https://safenetforum.org/t/rfc-data-types-refinement/30508/1...). Plus, it’s worth visiting the project’s DevHub too (https://hub.safedev.org/ https://hub.safedev.org/)
- piluso 6y ago
  I am an early adopter and I've been following the development of MaidSafe since 2014. I think I do understand your frustration because in the very early years the development had very little documentation. Also it is doubly frustrating to read about this perception of being "buzzwordy" or "scammy" or to have "people paid" to promote this network... because this team is exactly the opposite to the point of frustration. The actual team is all about doing the grunt work with zero regards towards marketing or promoting it. They didn't even properly capitalized for PR their participation as consultants of HBO's Silicon Valley, if Pied Piper Network sounded very similar to the goals of the SAFE Network it wasn't just coincidence. Mike Judge confirmed it in the Decentralized Web Summit that they especially did research on MaidSafe. In any case, that image should be changing now, the risk profile has changed substantially. The proof-of-concept was released two years ago, and now there are actual usable alpha you can download right now to test it out. The main risk in a project as ridiculously ambitious as this one is that they may never release anything. But they had, and they are still developing at neck breaking speed. So if you really understand the scope of this project and you see actual code to play with, you should be orgasmically elated. If you are not, you don't really understand the implications of a network like this being released. If you don't understand how they are designing the network, you should start by reading this: https://primer.safenetwork.org/ https://primer.safenetwork.org/ And watch this to understand how Xor Distance and Xor routing works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr9FJRDcNzk&list=PLiYqQVdgdw_sSDkdIZzDRQR9xZlsukIxD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr9FJRDcNzk&list=PLiYqQVdgdw... And learn about PARSEC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKagaPUrDsY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKagaPUrDsY I hope it helps you understand that this a serious project that isn't using buzzwords just for the sake of marketing, it is truly groundbreaking and in my opinion is the next paradigm shift after the invention of the blockchain. And this is coming from a bitcoin early adopter (2010). Regards

xiphias2 6y ago

I see, that's said, I probably checked that one. It would be probably better, if the web site of this project would be much more technical, as there are just too many buzzwords for me to take it seriously. I don't see how it solves a concrete problem. All infrastructure has good and bad sides, and the bad side is not well documented.

SotRos25 6y ago
Which website are you talking about? Hopefully not the fake one (https://safecoin.org/ https://safecoin.org/). If you want to get more technical, do read the weekly updates (I think I’ve already provided a link to one somewhere above in this thread). Also, I’d recommend checking out the forum (https://safenetforum.org/ https://safenetforum.org/) where there are a lot of in-depth technical discussions. The weekly updates and the various discussions on the forum are very transparent on what’s working well along with what are still significant challenges that they are dressing and how. The MaidSafe devs often post RFCs to get community perspective on how to tackle some of the meaty issues. Here’s an example of one such RFC (https://safenetforum.org/t/rfc-data-types-refinement/30508/106 https://safenetforum.org/t/rfc-data-types-refinement/30508/1...). Plus, it’s worth visiting the project’s DevHub too (https://hub.safedev.org/ https://hub.safedev.org/)
piluso 6y ago
I am an early adopter and I've been following the development of MaidSafe since 2014. I think I do understand your frustration because in the very early years the development had very little documentation. Also it is doubly frustrating to read about this perception of being "buzzwordy" or "scammy" or to have "people paid" to promote this network... because this team is exactly the opposite to the point of frustration. The actual team is all about doing the grunt work with zero regards towards marketing or promoting it. They didn't even properly capitalized for PR their participation as consultants of HBO's Silicon Valley, if Pied Piper Network sounded very similar to the goals of the SAFE Network it wasn't just coincidence. Mike Judge confirmed it in the Decentralized Web Summit that they especially did research on MaidSafe. In any case, that image should be changing now, the risk profile has changed substantially. The proof-of-concept was released two years ago, and now there are actual usable alpha you can download right now to test it out. The main risk in a project as ridiculously ambitious as this one is that they may never release anything. But they had, and they are still developing at neck breaking speed. So if you really understand the scope of this project and you see actual code to play with, you should be orgasmically elated. If you are not, you don't really understand the implications of a network like this being released. If you don't understand how they are designing the network, you should start by reading this: https://primer.safenetwork.org/ https://primer.safenetwork.org/ And watch this to understand how Xor Distance and Xor routing works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr9FJRDcNzk&list=PLiYqQVdgdw_sSDkdIZzDRQR9xZlsukIxD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr9FJRDcNzk&list=PLiYqQVdgdw... And learn about PARSEC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKagaPUrDsY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKagaPUrDsY I hope it helps you understand that this a serious project that isn't using buzzwords just for the sake of marketing, it is truly groundbreaking and in my opinion is the next paradigm shift after the invention of the blockchain. And this is coming from a bitcoin early adopter (2010). Regards