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Ridiculous. There are plenty of proposals for privacy oriented contact tracing apps.

mytailorisrich 6y ago
Anyone can propose anything. This does not necessarily make any sense. What is ridiculous is the complete lack of realism and pragmatism, if not plain common sense, here. The whole point of tracing apps is to find out who got in contact with infected people in order to enforce a procedure to deal with them. It cannot be private by definition.
- greglindahl 6y ago
  I guess you missed the big discussion about the attempting-to-preserve-privacy Apple-Google app. You might want to read up about it before making lots of statements.
  - mytailorisrich 6y ago
    I have and my point stands. Again, the point is not just to send a text to people. The point is for the authorities to get the people's details in order to enforce a public health procedure from testing to self-isolation, as well as getting epidemiological data. The libertarian utopia does not work at all in such a situation. I mentioned Korea and Taiwan. You could read up about it...
    - greglindahl 6y ago
      I don't think everyone agrees with what you claim "the point" is. Which is why your comments seem so nonsensical to many.
      - mytailorisrich 6y ago
        Too many people here live in a bubble if they find common sense nonsensical. Gimmicky apps might be sufficient to pitch VCs but actual effectiveness against an epidemic is obviously different and requires government leadership.
- dirtyid 6y ago
  I think the distinction is whether the point of contact tracing data is for A) centralized authority to use state resources to mitigate spread B) inform private individuals whether they've been exposed and empower them to self isolate. Any reasonable assessment is going to conclude the latter does not work well for epidemiological containment, especially in places drunk on liberty. Current successful trace and isolation systems in places with more trust in government and compliance recognized individual responsibility does not scale. America's cultural preoccupation's with muh freedom is influencing the contact tracing frame work by Google + Apple - the only one that will be ubiquitous and interoperable enough to be meaningful - hence them butting heads with various governments. One one hand delivering a minimally useful privacy preserving system is a sensible start, on the other hand, that's all it is, a start. Governments who are serious about covid19 is going to build off this technology to to strip away the privacy pretenses and execute effective trace + isolation strategies. Many of them will also abuse it in the aftermath. It maybe the new normal, but it's not too different from the old normal.
  - mytailorisrich 6y ago
    Indeed and I think that people here are unfortunately not interested in reasonable assessments...

Anyone can propose anything. This does not necessarily make any sense. What is ridiculous is the complete lack of realism and pragmatism, if not plain common sense, here. The whole point of tracing apps is to find out who got in contact with infected people in order to enforce a procedure to deal with them. It cannot be private by definition.

greglindahl 6y ago
I guess you missed the big discussion about the attempting-to-preserve-privacy Apple-Google app. You might want to read up about it before making lots of statements.
- mytailorisrich 6y ago
  I have and my point stands. Again, the point is not just to send a text to people. The point is for the authorities to get the people's details in order to enforce a public health procedure from testing to self-isolation, as well as getting epidemiological data. The libertarian utopia does not work at all in such a situation. I mentioned Korea and Taiwan. You could read up about it...
  - greglindahl 6y ago
    I don't think everyone agrees with what you claim "the point" is. Which is why your comments seem so nonsensical to many.
    - mytailorisrich 6y ago
      Too many people here live in a bubble if they find common sense nonsensical. Gimmicky apps might be sufficient to pitch VCs but actual effectiveness against an epidemic is obviously different and requires government leadership.
dirtyid 6y ago
I think the distinction is whether the point of contact tracing data is for A) centralized authority to use state resources to mitigate spread B) inform private individuals whether they've been exposed and empower them to self isolate. Any reasonable assessment is going to conclude the latter does not work well for epidemiological containment, especially in places drunk on liberty. Current successful trace and isolation systems in places with more trust in government and compliance recognized individual responsibility does not scale. America's cultural preoccupation's with muh freedom is influencing the contact tracing frame work by Google + Apple - the only one that will be ubiquitous and interoperable enough to be meaningful - hence them butting heads with various governments. One one hand delivering a minimally useful privacy preserving system is a sensible start, on the other hand, that's all it is, a start. Governments who are serious about covid19 is going to build off this technology to to strip away the privacy pretenses and execute effective trace + isolation strategies. Many of them will also abuse it in the aftermath. It maybe the new normal, but it's not too different from the old normal.
- mytailorisrich 6y ago
  Indeed and I think that people here are unfortunately not interested in reasonable assessments...