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That extreme inequality is inherently bad is not a "bizarre" view. It's a very common one. You're living in a filter bubble if you think otherwise.

perl4ever 7y ago
Why should "bizarre" views necessarily be uncommon? I think you're assuming a definition of the word based solely on frequency and the other person is not.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  You're not approaching a discussion in an honest, open-minded way if your opener is that the opposing widely-held viewpoint is "bizarre". It's not worth engaging with people who argue like that, because they're demonstrating at the outset that they can't be reasoned with and are condescendingly dismissive of other people's viewpoints. It's not the frame to start a discussion with at all; it's just getting in a cheap shot. Saying a view is "bizarre" is not valid argumentation anyway; it makes no substantive counterclaims. It's just subjective name-calling.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    Well, whether it's subjective name-calling depends on whether you substantiate it in some way. If it's a contradiction in terms, then name-calling is not the issue. And if it isn't, it might be possible to defend it. I think there's some ambiguity in the idea that something people repeat is actually a "widely held viewpoint". Saying it's bizarre seems to me to be standard shorthand for "if you really think about the implications, which people usually don't". So-called "ideas" or "viewpoints" are more fit in an evolutionary sense the less people think about them while transmitting them.
    - __blockcipher__ 7y ago
      > Saying it's bizarre seems to me to be standard shorthand for "if you really think about the implications, which people usually don't". Catching up here (original commenter). Your take is spot on as to what I meant. (Probably my fault for being unclear)

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That extreme inequality is inherently bad is not a "bizarre" view. It's a very common one. You're living in a filter bubble if you think otherwise.

by CydeWeys 7y ago

perl4ever 7y ago
Why should "bizarre" views necessarily be uncommon? I think you're assuming a definition of the word based solely on frequency and the other person is not.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  You're not approaching a discussion in an honest, open-minded way if your opener is that the opposing widely-held viewpoint is "bizarre". It's not worth engaging with people who argue like that, because they're demonstrating at the outset that they can't be reasoned with and are condescendingly dismissive of other people's viewpoints. It's not the frame to start a discussion with at all; it's just getting in a cheap shot. Saying a view is "bizarre" is not valid argumentation anyway; it makes no substantive counterclaims. It's just subjective name-calling.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    Well, whether it's subjective name-calling depends on whether you substantiate it in some way. If it's a contradiction in terms, then name-calling is not the issue. And if it isn't, it might be possible to defend it. I think there's some ambiguity in the idea that something people repeat is actually a "widely held viewpoint". Saying it's bizarre seems to me to be standard shorthand for "if you really think about the implications, which people usually don't". So-called "ideas" or "viewpoints" are more fit in an evolutionary sense the less people think about them while transmitting them.
    - __blockcipher__ 7y ago
      > Saying it's bizarre seems to me to be standard shorthand for "if you really think about the implications, which people usually don't". Catching up here (original commenter). Your take is spot on as to what I meant. (Probably my fault for being unclear)