How often do you actually do "dup, swap, roll" in a Forth program, though? The typical Forth program doesn't look like the samples you see on its Wikipedia pag

How often do you actually do "dup, swap, roll" in a Forth program, though? The typical Forth program doesn't look like the samples you see on its Wikipedia page, just like the typical C program doesn't look like the samples you see on its Wikipedia page. I could go the other way and say that dereferencing arbitrary pointers, maintaining a \0 at the end of every string, and declaring which variables should live in registers aren't part of my business logic, either. C sure sounds terrible! Just because a language allows low-level implementation details doesn't mean it requires them in every function. I don't understand the logic of having a language which allows you to build your own abstractions, and deciding that it's a better use of one's time to drop it altogether and instead use a language whose only user abstractions are structs and functions.