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Some of them, very much. Go have a look in academia where there are hordes of tech-illiterates working on linux just because of reasons like some obscure piece

by stinos 7y ago

Some of them, very much. Go have a look in academia where there are hordes of tech-illiterates working on linux just because of reasons like some obscure piece of software working only properly on linux, because the postdoc did it that way, because it's cheaper, because they think it has to be done like that, ... Last lab I was in it was just painful to see how much time was completely lost on trying to get things working by people not understanding computers or OS. So if auto-update can alleviate some of those problems, why not. If it breaks things, well that's something else :)

searchableguy 7y ago
Linux subsystem is there on windows. You don't have to use linux for majority of cases. Conda is pretty decent. But I want to know what specific things they use that can't work on linux subsystem? Maybe there are some and I don't know about them.
- chrisandchris 7y ago
  There‘s a simple reason: speed. Have you ever tried to use WSL 1 with npm? I doubt do, because it just takes 10 times more time than on „real“ linux. Also, it‘s way easier to work with multiple desktops and windows position better than on Windows where it seems that they are opening always there where you don‘t look. There are also quite a lot of others, IMHO.
  - searchableguy 7y ago
    I have. It wasn't called wsl but bash on windows back then. You had to disable bunch of services related to scanning files (windows defender?) to make it barely usable but since v2, they are using a lightweight vm so the speeds are significantly better compared to what you got on bash on windows or wsl 1. I don't have anything to say about your other nitpick. A good reason to use windows is games, Adobe and office. Games using anti-cheat will not be available on linux and if you can get them to work, good luck not getting banned.
    - chrisandchris 6y ago
      I agree, gaming and Office are major bonuses for Windows. And IMHO, the discussion about which OS one should use is probably older than any OS at all. It comes down to personal preferences and experiences. I would not for any longer time want to use only Windows for a couple of reasons. I use it for some office stuff (we have SharePoint and OneDrive for Businsess does not exist for Linux). I did a quick search and here are two references about the WSL speed: [1] https://vxlabs.com/2019/12/06/wsl2-io-measurements/ https://vxlabs.com/2019/12/06/wsl2-io-measurements/ [2] https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/4197 https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/4197 It seems that they already improved a lot bur are still nowhere near native FS speed because of some technical limiations on how to embed the FS.
  - jen20 7y ago
    FWIW I tried Windows as a desktop two weeks ago, and gave up on it precisely _because_ the implementation of window snapping and positioning was so bad. I have a very wide monitor and need a way of splitting the screen into thirds, which Windows seems to lack.
    - rostigerpudel 7y ago
      You might try the PowerToys. With FancyZones you can either use one of the presets or freely define your window snap zones: > https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys
ashtonkem 7y ago
That’s gotta be a tiny minority of Linux users.

by stinos 7y ago

searchableguy 7y ago

Linux subsystem is there on windows. You don't have to use linux for majority of cases. Conda is pretty decent. But I want to know what specific things they use that can't work on linux subsystem? Maybe there are some and I don't know about them.

chrisandchris 7y ago
There‘s a simple reason: speed. Have you ever tried to use WSL 1 with npm? I doubt do, because it just takes 10 times more time than on „real“ linux. Also, it‘s way easier to work with multiple desktops and windows position better than on Windows where it seems that they are opening always there where you don‘t look. There are also quite a lot of others, IMHO.
- searchableguy 7y ago
  I have. It wasn't called wsl but bash on windows back then. You had to disable bunch of services related to scanning files (windows defender?) to make it barely usable but since v2, they are using a lightweight vm so the speeds are significantly better compared to what you got on bash on windows or wsl 1. I don't have anything to say about your other nitpick. A good reason to use windows is games, Adobe and office. Games using anti-cheat will not be available on linux and if you can get them to work, good luck not getting banned.
  - chrisandchris 6y ago
    I agree, gaming and Office are major bonuses for Windows. And IMHO, the discussion about which OS one should use is probably older than any OS at all. It comes down to personal preferences and experiences. I would not for any longer time want to use only Windows for a couple of reasons. I use it for some office stuff (we have SharePoint and OneDrive for Businsess does not exist for Linux). I did a quick search and here are two references about the WSL speed: [1] https://vxlabs.com/2019/12/06/wsl2-io-measurements/ https://vxlabs.com/2019/12/06/wsl2-io-measurements/ [2] https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/4197 https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/4197 It seems that they already improved a lot bur are still nowhere near native FS speed because of some technical limiations on how to embed the FS.
- jen20 7y ago
  FWIW I tried Windows as a desktop two weeks ago, and gave up on it precisely _because_ the implementation of window snapping and positioning was so bad. I have a very wide monitor and need a way of splitting the screen into thirds, which Windows seems to lack.
  - rostigerpudel 7y ago
    You might try the PowerToys. With FancyZones you can either use one of the presets or freely define your window snap zones: > https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys

ashtonkem 7y ago

That’s gotta be a tiny minority of Linux users.