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> Updating everything has always been one click in Ubuntu (and I'm sure there's an option to have it go automatically). And what percentage of users do that? F
by ordinaryperson 6y ago
> Updating everything has always been one click in Ubuntu (and I'm sure there's an option to have it go automatically).
And what percentage of users do that? From your experience in software in general how much of the general population manually updates their software? It's almost always a low number and that creates problems. A different set of problems than new updates that cause bugs, but IMHO worse ones.
> Maybe the benefits justify it, but what are those benefits supposed to be?
Security, compatibility, uniformity. Not having to support 18 different versions.
> I hate systemd because it breaks a bunch of stuff but I'm still forced to use it.
Exactly what stuff does it break? And are those things more important than the benefits of systemd?
- wolco 6y agoThe auto update because users can't make the decision themselves is just copying windows 10 model. Do applications break after auto-updates? of course they do and that is something that is important to ubuntu users because they have to manually fix. Given the choice I would rather choose when to upgrade so I could set aside time for fixes. Ubuntu users are not windows 10 users. Why treat them in the same way?
- ordinaryperson 6y agoAuto updates have existed long before Windows 10. It's great that you are diligent about updating your software regularly. But how many people do? If you agree that it's a low percentage, then why is not better for the ecosystem as a whole to improve security and compatibility?
- pessimizer 6y agoIf you're making up percentages of people who update when they see an icon and a message telling them updates are available, asking other people to make up their own numbers, then deciding that we should make decisions based on these made-up numbers, I think you're on the wrong track. How often Ubuntu users who turn auto-update off manually update themselves is an actual thing that can be researched. It's disappointing how many developers just think you should assume the worst based on your imagination and ego, then justify taking away control from users whenever one can get away with it as a safety measure.
- ordinaryperson 6y agoI'm "making up" numbers? What would you call this? https://theconversation.com/the-petya-ransomware-attack-shows-how-many-people-still-dont-install-software-updates-77667 https://theconversation.com/the-petya-ransomware-attack-show...
- CathedralBorrow 6y agoThis percentage seems to be the crux of your argument so I'm curious to know what it is. Are you relying on any data?
- ordinaryperson 6y agoPretty simple Google search: https://theconversation.com/the-petya-ransomware-attack-shows-how-many-people-still-dont-install-software-updates-77667 https://theconversation.com/the-petya-ransomware-attack-show... Many more examples.