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> FYI the law enforcement, legal system is a complete joke in India Exactly what is a "complete joke" about the legal system ? The whole in its entirety ? > T

> FYI the law enforcement, legal system is a complete joke in India Exactly what is a "complete joke" about the legal system ? The whole in its entirety ? > They are also planning an e pass feature which will be required to board a flight/metro Wasn't this the future everyone imagined ? or we all want to carry more X number of cards ?

mr_puzzled 6y ago
> Wasn't this the future everyone imagined ? or we all want to carry more X number of cards ? I think you're referring to the future where all tickets are digital, which is fine. This is in addition to the ticket, id checks etc. You will need to show the aarogya setu e pass to prove that you're low risk, don't have a history of coming in contact with a person having covid 19. In theory it sounds fine, the devil is in the details : having to link phone number, have all location history stored etc. If its like how apple and google designed it, I would be fine with it. Privacy is preserved. And this should never be mandatory in the first place. Reading : https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/current/static/contact-tracing/pdf/ExposureNotification-FAQv1.0.pdf https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/cu...
- codegladiator 6y ago
  You really thing the google-apple way is preserving privacy ? People have problems with that too. I am sure the devil is in the details, but its easier to slam the govt doing anything. Reading: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-tech/germany-flips-on-smartphone-contact-tracing-backs-apple-and-google-idUSKCN22807J https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe...
  - searchableguy 6y ago
    More privacy friendly than setu. It upfront asks you about more information than it needs and also the tracking system seems to use more than bluetooth.
    - codegladiator 6y ago
      Never Attribute to Malice That Which Is Adequately Explained by Stupidity
      - catalogia 6y ago
        Sufficiently advanced malice often pretends to be stupidity, to deliberately exploit the tendency people have to view the world as you describe.
  - as1mov 6y ago
    Just like how valiantly the govt has prevented the Aadhar database from leaking again (and again, all the while claiming Aadhar is completely optional), I am sure they will be able to make a completely secure application this time too. I don't even need to go to point that the government will have intentions to abuse it, it's the incompetence of those fucking morons that will doom us all.
sumedh 6y ago
> Exactly what is a "complete joke" about the legal system ? The whole in its entirety ? Court cases can take 6 to 10 years for a judge to make a decision. India needs more courts and judges but for some reason does not build more courts.
- codegladiator 6y ago
  > India needs more courts and judges but for some reason does not build more courts. You do know why. Because its a low pay job and private jobs are paying higher. Becoming a lawyer will earn you 10x more than any judge. And so we have no shortage of lawyers. But then I assume you would counter this with "so govt should pay them higher" ?
  - sumedh 6y ago
    Why would I say that? Judges can still make money via plain old corruption, incase you didnt know Indian judicial system is pretty corrupt. What is your solution?
    - eklavya 6y ago
      Every judicial system is corrupt. Indian judicial system works and people have faith in it. Could it be made better? Hell yes.
      - sumedh 6y ago
        How can it work when you yourself admit that its corrupt?
        eklavya 6y ago
        Simple, softwares work even though they can have bugs. The judicial system is not perfect with a lot that can be improved. It works because people haven't lost faith in it and almost all disputes reach courts instead of streets.
jdietrich 6y ago
>Exactly what is a "complete joke" about the legal system ? The whole in its entirety ? As a share of GDP, India spends less than almost any other country on criminal justice. The legal system is plagued with almost absurd delays, with many cases taking over a decade to come to trial. India is the most corrupt country in Asia and one of the most corrupt in the world; bribing police officers is the norm rather than the exception. Extrajudicial killings by police are organised, commonplace and are ignored or condoned by politicians and the judiciary. I can't think of any part of the Indian criminal justice system that isn't severely dysfunctional. https://www.firstpost.com/long-reads/indias-criminal-justice-system-an-example-of-justice-delayed-justice-denied-3475630.html https://www.firstpost.com/long-reads/indias-criminal-justice... https://www.forbes.com/sites/suparnagoswami/2017/03/08/study-finds-india-is-asias-most-corrupt-country-while-japan-comes-in-last/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/suparnagoswami/2017/03/08/study... https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/08/18/the-shortcomings-of-indias-police-are-not-entirely-their-fault https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/08/18/the-shortcomings-o... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_killings_by_police https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_killings_by_police
- codegladiator 6y ago
  This is just the most negative take you can have on the system. > The legal system is plagued with almost absurd delays Explained in other sibling comment. > India is the most corrupt country in Asia but not the most corrupt in the world right ? not even in top 10. And you choose to say "a complete joke". > Extrajudicial killings by police are organised, commonplace and are ignored or condoned by politicians and the judiciary Law doesn't work like that. It would be a major problem if judiciary was just able to do what it "thinks" is correct. > I can't think of any part of the Indian criminal justice system that isn't severely dysfunctional. Don't even know how to respond to that. Maybe become a judge in a court ?
  - zkmon 6y ago
    Your justification for extra-judicial stuff is nonsense. Do you know what happened in hyderabad recently?
- 6y ago
billfruit 6y ago
There are any number of lacunae in the Indian system: - No codified tort law. - Most things are done through Criminal Law, even many of which are better dealt with through Civil Law. - Ineffective perjury provisions. - Lack of Jury system with requirement of unanimous verdict. - Lack of recourse against wrongful imprisonment. - No Miranda act like right to remain silent. That is the right against self incrimimation is weak and ineffictual in India. - Death Penalty still remains. - The police does not operate as per the Peelian Principles. - Lower courts are rubber stamps, they never refuse prosecution.

mr_puzzled 6y ago

> Wasn't this the future everyone imagined ? or we all want to carry more X number of cards ? I think you're referring to the future where all tickets are digital, which is fine. This is in addition to the ticket, id checks etc. You will need to show the aarogya setu e pass to prove that you're low risk, don't have a history of coming in contact with a person having covid 19. In theory it sounds fine, the devil is in the details : having to link phone number, have all location history stored etc. If its like how apple and google designed it, I would be fine with it. Privacy is preserved. And this should never be mandatory in the first place. Reading : https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/current/static/contact-tracing/pdf/ExposureNotification-FAQv1.0.pdf https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/cu...

codegladiator 6y ago
You really thing the google-apple way is preserving privacy ? People have problems with that too. I am sure the devil is in the details, but its easier to slam the govt doing anything. Reading: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-tech/germany-flips-on-smartphone-contact-tracing-backs-apple-and-google-idUSKCN22807J https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe...
- searchableguy 6y ago
  More privacy friendly than setu. It upfront asks you about more information than it needs and also the tracking system seems to use more than bluetooth.
  - codegladiator 6y ago
    Never Attribute to Malice That Which Is Adequately Explained by Stupidity
    - catalogia 6y ago
      Sufficiently advanced malice often pretends to be stupidity, to deliberately exploit the tendency people have to view the world as you describe.
- as1mov 6y ago
  Just like how valiantly the govt has prevented the Aadhar database from leaking again (and again, all the while claiming Aadhar is completely optional), I am sure they will be able to make a completely secure application this time too. I don't even need to go to point that the government will have intentions to abuse it, it's the incompetence of those fucking morons that will doom us all.

sumedh 6y ago

> Exactly what is a "complete joke" about the legal system ? The whole in its entirety ? Court cases can take 6 to 10 years for a judge to make a decision. India needs more courts and judges but for some reason does not build more courts.

codegladiator 6y ago
> India needs more courts and judges but for some reason does not build more courts. You do know why. Because its a low pay job and private jobs are paying higher. Becoming a lawyer will earn you 10x more than any judge. And so we have no shortage of lawyers. But then I assume you would counter this with "so govt should pay them higher" ?
- sumedh 6y ago
  Why would I say that? Judges can still make money via plain old corruption, incase you didnt know Indian judicial system is pretty corrupt. What is your solution?
  - eklavya 6y ago
    Every judicial system is corrupt. Indian judicial system works and people have faith in it. Could it be made better? Hell yes.
    - sumedh 6y ago
      How can it work when you yourself admit that its corrupt?
      - eklavya 6y ago
        Simple, softwares work even though they can have bugs. The judicial system is not perfect with a lot that can be improved. It works because people haven't lost faith in it and almost all disputes reach courts instead of streets.

jdietrich 6y ago

>Exactly what is a "complete joke" about the legal system ? The whole in its entirety ? As a share of GDP, India spends less than almost any other country on criminal justice. The legal system is plagued with almost absurd delays, with many cases taking over a decade to come to trial. India is the most corrupt country in Asia and one of the most corrupt in the world; bribing police officers is the norm rather than the exception. Extrajudicial killings by police are organised, commonplace and are ignored or condoned by politicians and the judiciary. I can't think of any part of the Indian criminal justice system that isn't severely dysfunctional. https://www.firstpost.com/long-reads/indias-criminal-justice-system-an-example-of-justice-delayed-justice-denied-3475630.html https://www.firstpost.com/long-reads/indias-criminal-justice... https://www.forbes.com/sites/suparnagoswami/2017/03/08/study-finds-india-is-asias-most-corrupt-country-while-japan-comes-in-last/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/suparnagoswami/2017/03/08/study... https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/08/18/the-shortcomings-of-indias-police-are-not-entirely-their-fault https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/08/18/the-shortcomings-o... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_killings_by_police https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_killings_by_police

codegladiator 6y ago
This is just the most negative take you can have on the system. > The legal system is plagued with almost absurd delays Explained in other sibling comment. > India is the most corrupt country in Asia but not the most corrupt in the world right ? not even in top 10. And you choose to say "a complete joke". > Extrajudicial killings by police are organised, commonplace and are ignored or condoned by politicians and the judiciary Law doesn't work like that. It would be a major problem if judiciary was just able to do what it "thinks" is correct. > I can't think of any part of the Indian criminal justice system that isn't severely dysfunctional. Don't even know how to respond to that. Maybe become a judge in a court ?
- zkmon 6y ago
  Your justification for extra-judicial stuff is nonsense. Do you know what happened in hyderabad recently?
6y ago

billfruit 6y ago

There are any number of lacunae in the Indian system: - No codified tort law. - Most things are done through Criminal Law, even many of which are better dealt with through Civil Law. - Ineffective perjury provisions. - Lack of Jury system with requirement of unanimous verdict. - Lack of recourse against wrongful imprisonment. - No Miranda act like right to remain silent. That is the right against self incrimimation is weak and ineffictual in India. - Death Penalty still remains. - The police does not operate as per the Peelian Principles. - Lower courts are rubber stamps, they never refuse prosecution.