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A "bro culture" article written by a female entrepreneur who isn't from Silicon Valley… right. I think you need to check your prejudices. 1) plenty of restaura

A "bro culture" article written by a female entrepreneur who isn't from Silicon Valley… right. I think you need to check your prejudices. 1) plenty of restaurants don't sell alcohol, including it seems this one. she also had a point about how drinks aren't a great revenue generator given the price you can expect to charge in a fast-casual setting vs. the costs (higher than grocery stores) 2) how is the restauranteur's motivation relevant? 3) her restaurant isn't in the USA so I'm not sure how you can call it US-centric.

virgilp 6y ago
Ref 3: 1. Prices in USD 2. Quotes Philly Mag. (Philladelphia?) 3. Mentions how generous tipping is required to help servers survive Yeah, of course one would assume it’s about US. I’m honestly very surprised if it isn’t.
- mprovost 6y ago
  Canada also uses (their own) dollars. (As do Australia and NZ among others.)
  - lowdose 6y ago
    Some people use this knowledge to weasel out of bets.
- acjacobson 6y ago
  Prices are in Canadian dollars, but I didn't know this until I looked up the restaurant. $11 felt kinda high for a döner, even a really good one. But that works out to ~7€ which is a little high for Germany, but not that much higher.
  - mtrower 6y ago
    That definitely explains a lot; I thought $10/lb for the type of meat they were describing was kind of crazy (for someone complaining about margins, anyway). ~$6.30 USD/lb feels far more sane.
  - belorn 6y ago
    Location location location. The restaurant is in the middle of the main shopping street in the middle of the city, on a street called "bank", in the part called center town. We can make an educated guess that the rent is not exactly going to be cheap. The article reads very different when the location is known. Tourism is significant effected. City shopping is significant effected. People who work in expensive offices is exactly those that often have the option to work at home. All the talk about margins feel like distraction of the fact that restaurants at central shopping streets are going to suffer. It is thus questionable if the article has anything to say about the industry as a whole.
  - spacechild1 6y ago
    Here in Austria, a Döner is usually 2.50-3.50€. I would be surprised if it were more expensive in Germany (expect for tourist traps)
- cowsandmilk 6y ago
  It is in Ottawa, Ontario. In reality, the things people claim are US only often are true in Canada as well.
rv-de 6y ago
how about this? https://medium.com/@joelleparenteau/wolfing-it-down-f703a3cf8451 https://medium.com/@joelleparenteau/wolfing-it-down-f703a3cf... "We are looking for people who love food and crave the experience of working in a restaurant that operates more like a tech startup — after all, that’s my background and we are backed by the Shopify founders." who craves the experience of working in a restaurant? wtf is wrong with that woman? it's a job and they enjoy it if the boss treats them fair, they get along with their colleagues and the customers are friendly. "crave", "love", ... that vocabulary is already sickening and pretentious in this context.
- maxwell 6y ago
  I crave the experience of working in a restaurant. I did full-stack back-of-house in busy kitchens and it sure beat sitting around pushing buttons all day. I just haven't been able to afford to do it for the past ten years because building web sites pays so much better.
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  - Melting_Harps 6y ago
    > I crave the experience of working in a restaurant. I did full-stack back-of-house in busy kitchens and it sure beat sitting around pushing buttons all day. I just haven't been able to afford to do it for the past ten years because building web sites pays so much better. Same, I'm an ex-founder in Fintech, I've worked for big multi-national corps, and have a background in Health Sciences. And the satisfaction you get the rare times things are 'good' in Kitchens is perhaps the most satisfying things I've even experienced in my entire Life. The comradery amongst your fellow cooks can be petty deep, my old team still keeps in touch with another during Corona and we're trying to help where ever we can. Its a sense of community that extends beyond one's Team, too. I personally have met lots of owners and cooks during these shutdowns and we often have conversations about the business and Life. By contrast, I don't know my neighbors, and barely talk to my house mates. The taxing part is the high stress, low pay, long hours, and a very precarious Life over all due to the widespread alcohol/drug abuse. I've had to save up to come out of retirement from cooking after my time in Europe, too; I took it pretty far this time, I got to interview at SpaceX, did a week a the Mars Desert Research Station and worked at Kimbal Musk's flagship restaurant this last run. So, while I wish I was at SpaceX right now the realities don't allow it and won't for an undetermined time, so upon reflection I'm pretty satisfied with my culinary career and think that I have done all I could and gone further then I realistically thought I ever could. @Maxwell: Let me know you want to collaborate, I'd like to be able to work with someone who wants to return to the Kitchen.
biddlesby 6y ago
A woman can just as easily write a bro-culture article as a man, and you don't have to have worked in Silicon Valley to pick up on the culture. It's splashed all over the internet. If the article reads like bro culture, that's a valid observation, irrespective of the gender or background of the author.
- simonebrunozzi 6y ago
  I would have replied the same thing. Thanks.
- belorn 6y ago
  It really depend on definition. Bro-culture when used a pejorative is usually an reference to the supposed male privilege, and then we have to deal with the question of a woman can have that male privilege and what that would then mean. But why are people bringing in gender into the critique of this article in the first place? The points could just have easily been made without mentioning gender and gender pejoratives. What insight does it contribute that the other points in the comment does not already bring up?
wutbrodo 6y ago
"Bro culture" presumably meant something at one point; now it just means "I don't like something but I'm not thinking clearly enough to articulate why"

virgilp 6y ago

Ref 3: 1. Prices in USD 2. Quotes Philly Mag. (Philladelphia?) 3. Mentions how generous tipping is required to help servers survive Yeah, of course one would assume it’s about US. I’m honestly very surprised if it isn’t.

mprovost 6y ago
Canada also uses (their own) dollars. (As do Australia and NZ among others.)
- lowdose 6y ago
  Some people use this knowledge to weasel out of bets.
acjacobson 6y ago
Prices are in Canadian dollars, but I didn't know this until I looked up the restaurant. $11 felt kinda high for a döner, even a really good one. But that works out to ~7€ which is a little high for Germany, but not that much higher.
- mtrower 6y ago
  That definitely explains a lot; I thought $10/lb for the type of meat they were describing was kind of crazy (for someone complaining about margins, anyway). ~$6.30 USD/lb feels far more sane.
- belorn 6y ago
  Location location location. The restaurant is in the middle of the main shopping street in the middle of the city, on a street called "bank", in the part called center town. We can make an educated guess that the rent is not exactly going to be cheap. The article reads very different when the location is known. Tourism is significant effected. City shopping is significant effected. People who work in expensive offices is exactly those that often have the option to work at home. All the talk about margins feel like distraction of the fact that restaurants at central shopping streets are going to suffer. It is thus questionable if the article has anything to say about the industry as a whole.
- spacechild1 6y ago
  Here in Austria, a Döner is usually 2.50-3.50€. I would be surprised if it were more expensive in Germany (expect for tourist traps)
cowsandmilk 6y ago
It is in Ottawa, Ontario. In reality, the things people claim are US only often are true in Canada as well.

rv-de 6y ago

how about this? https://medium.com/@joelleparenteau/wolfing-it-down-f703a3cf8451 https://medium.com/@joelleparenteau/wolfing-it-down-f703a3cf... "We are looking for people who love food and crave the experience of working in a restaurant that operates more like a tech startup — after all, that’s my background and we are backed by the Shopify founders." who craves the experience of working in a restaurant? wtf is wrong with that woman? it's a job and they enjoy it if the boss treats them fair, they get along with their colleagues and the customers are friendly. "crave", "love", ... that vocabulary is already sickening and pretentious in this context.

maxwell 6y ago
I crave the experience of working in a restaurant. I did full-stack back-of-house in busy kitchens and it sure beat sitting around pushing buttons all day. I just haven't been able to afford to do it for the past ten years because building web sites pays so much better.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > I crave the experience of working in a restaurant. I did full-stack back-of-house in busy kitchens and it sure beat sitting around pushing buttons all day. I just haven't been able to afford to do it for the past ten years because building web sites pays so much better. Same, I'm an ex-founder in Fintech, I've worked for big multi-national corps, and have a background in Health Sciences. And the satisfaction you get the rare times things are 'good' in Kitchens is perhaps the most satisfying things I've even experienced in my entire Life. The comradery amongst your fellow cooks can be petty deep, my old team still keeps in touch with another during Corona and we're trying to help where ever we can. Its a sense of community that extends beyond one's Team, too. I personally have met lots of owners and cooks during these shutdowns and we often have conversations about the business and Life. By contrast, I don't know my neighbors, and barely talk to my house mates. The taxing part is the high stress, low pay, long hours, and a very precarious Life over all due to the widespread alcohol/drug abuse. I've had to save up to come out of retirement from cooking after my time in Europe, too; I took it pretty far this time, I got to interview at SpaceX, did a week a the Mars Desert Research Station and worked at Kimbal Musk's flagship restaurant this last run. So, while I wish I was at SpaceX right now the realities don't allow it and won't for an undetermined time, so upon reflection I'm pretty satisfied with my culinary career and think that I have done all I could and gone further then I realistically thought I ever could. @Maxwell: Let me know you want to collaborate, I'd like to be able to work with someone who wants to return to the Kitchen.

biddlesby 6y ago

A woman can just as easily write a bro-culture article as a man, and you don't have to have worked in Silicon Valley to pick up on the culture. It's splashed all over the internet. If the article reads like bro culture, that's a valid observation, irrespective of the gender or background of the author.

simonebrunozzi 6y ago
I would have replied the same thing. Thanks.
belorn 6y ago
It really depend on definition. Bro-culture when used a pejorative is usually an reference to the supposed male privilege, and then we have to deal with the question of a woman can have that male privilege and what that would then mean. But why are people bringing in gender into the critique of this article in the first place? The points could just have easily been made without mentioning gender and gender pejoratives. What insight does it contribute that the other points in the comment does not already bring up?

wutbrodo 6y ago

"Bro culture" presumably meant something at one point; now it just means "I don't like something but I'm not thinking clearly enough to articulate why"