> Then what is? If you're looking for a randomized sampling of programmers with sufficient sample size, you're not going to find it here. Evidence. Maybe a stu

> Then what is? If you're looking for a randomized sampling of programmers with sufficient sample size, you're not going to find it here. Evidence. Maybe a study showing programmers have a natural preference? Or scientific evidence? Anything more convincing than "Rust evangelist" anecdotes. > No, but a fine example is that of C++: the difficulty in parsing means that if you make a typo, the error message you get might be bizarre and confusing. Difficulty parsing? If it didn't parse and found an error, then it means it didn't have any difficulty parsing. That has more to do with the complexity of the language itself than parsing. Parsing is a very simple matter. Or maybe the compiler for one language is better? Also, I thought we were comparing Rust to Java? > I would think that more-useful error messages pass your test of "make it easier for programmers to program". It does, but once again all you've done is provide anecdotes without any examples or evidence. > Regardless, I'm in agreement: I find "name: Type = blah" much easier to read. I don't. The most important part of "name: Type = blah" is the Type. So it's nice to have it first. But then again, there are people who love dynamic programming languages. So once again personal preferences and personal anecdotes aren't convincing arguments. > As someone who cut his teeth on C and later Java, much later learning Scala and Rust Yeah, I too fanboy over new languages I learn. But then I get over it and move on with my life. My guess is you just wrote toy programs in scala and rust and nothing substantive. > I immediately liked the style of the latter two much better. Lately I've been doing a lot of Java and get constantly annoyed at the "backwards" order. So then use Rust? Why are you using Java? > I suppose you could argue that what I've written above is just personal preference, but I see it as a bit stronger than that. I don't have to argue it. All you've provided is personal preference. "I find "name: Type = blah" much easier to read. " is personal preference. It's no more a convincing argument of anything than you prefering chocolate over vanilla shows that chocolate is better than vanilla.