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Here’s the Japanese news post by the Sumida Aquarium, which includes the Email addresses to FaceTime the eels: https://www.sumida-aquarium.com/news/details/223

by con 6y ago

Here’s the Japanese news post by the Sumida Aquarium, which includes the Email addresses to FaceTime the eels: https://www.sumida-aquarium.com/news/details/2236/ https://www.sumida-aquarium.com/news/details/2236/ A shame that The Guardian’s article did not include a backlink to it.

DarthGhandi 6y ago
It's absurdly common with news articles. They never link the stats/paper/organisation. I often wonder about the amount of collective time spent by individuals simply trying to find the data summarised in an article. For all the lamenting about the media's decline there's plenty of amateur blogs out there that manage to link their sources when writing an article.
- mherdeg 6y ago
  My pet peeve is when news organizations write about a court case (whether civil, like a lawsuit, or criminal) and forget to include (1) the court name and docket number so you can look up the status and filings yourself; (2) a copy of the latest filings to date (this can be harder to do depending on your platform).
- freeflight 6y ago
  It's even more infuriating when certain words have a link you would expect to be the source, but it turns out the link only leads to a sub-category of news about the word.
- goostavos 6y ago
  This is my biggest pet peeve with news in general. Why does a high school paper have more rigor in terms of citations than the average post from a major news organization? It honestly drives me crazy. How in the world can a majority of major news organizations not overcome the hurdle of... adding links to what they're covering..? It makes digesting political news all but impossible.
  - montebicyclelo 6y ago
    I suspect there is motivation for a news organisation not to send users away from their website.
    - ekianjo 6y ago
      Probably because content outside of news websites is a lot more worth a read.
      - remarkEon 6y ago
        And often, but not always, actually contradicts the headline and/or the content of the "news" article itself.
  - som33 6y ago
    >This is my biggest pet peeve with news in general. Why does a high school paper have more rigor in terms of citations than the average post from a major news organization? Because news is not meant to inform, it's meant to indoctrinate and keep you passively under the thumb of the rich. https://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Consent-Political-Economy-Media/dp/B06Y2LSTZZ https://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Consent-Political-Econo... >It makes digesting political news all but impossible. The question is do you know the upper classes know your brain doesn't see the world as it is, you can be told the facts and not reason to the right conclusion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
  - specialist 6y ago
    One reason I heard, but have not verified, is that their content managements systems don't support links. Pathetic, right?
- dewey 6y ago
  I was wondering the same and once when I asked someone who knows about the topic the answer was basically: Don't want to give free backlinks for SEO, don't want people to just scroll to the link and leave the site. It might just be a policy to not add links except if it's to articles on the same site, which is obviously stupid from the user's point of view.
- AmericanChopper 6y ago
  It’s not very relevant to a story about eels, but the problem media has with primary sources, is that you can’t spin primary sources. They would rather have you read their editorial account of the primary source, rather than provide it to you, where there’s a greater risk of you making up for own mind about what to think of it.
  - mokus 6y ago
    It’s infuriating how true this seems to be. Especially in politics, so many big-name news sites across the entire political spectrum seem to consistently run stories that collapse instantly when checked. How on earth do they still exist with a business model that seems to consist solely of making absurd interpretations of YouTube videos and tweets?
- nicthesailor 6y ago
  Fwiw, I recently started writing for a well-known website. When I asked if it's okay to link to sources, they told me I was allowed to if absolutely necessary. I should try not to because it takes readers away from our site, and they might not come back. I suspect that many sites have the same line of reasoning.
  - bartread 6y ago
    > I should try not to because it takes readers away from our site, and they might not come back. > I suspect that many sites have the same line of reasoning. Not your fault, obviously, but FFS: this is the most vapid line of reasoning. If I want to find out more I'm going to leave your site anyway, so surely it's better if I'm not irritated by your lack of citations when I do inevitably go? Does Wikipedia worry about people leaving and not coming back? No. Do you know why I go back to Wikipedia all the effing time, often using it as a starting point for research? Well, one of the big reasons is that many articles have a decent list of authoritative citations and external links at the bottom that I can use to find out more when I need or want to. Talk about myopic: even the BBC do this, and it's incredibly frustrating. Absolutely smacks of some clueless senior manager[1] setting up the wrong metrics for measuring site performance. [1] Manager bashing is a bit of a tired trope here on HN and I'm not trying to make a generalisation but, as with every job, some of them are certainly idiots/clowns.
    - karatinversion 6y ago
      Wikipedia’s business isn’t monetising people’s attention.
      - chongli 6y ago
        Thus news should not be a business. The business model of news is diametrically opposed to informing the public. We’re better off sticking to nonprofit journalism.
      - CuriousSkeptic 6y ago
        Yet Wikipedia is the one creating actual economic value
sosodev 6y ago
Thanks for linking to the source. This is super cool! I'm going to try and get through tomorrow night. I hope the eels appreciate English.
masswerk 6y ago
I suggest to repurpose the hashtag (#pleaseRememberHumans) for an initiative about human needs regarding news sites – and also for issues with overly crafted UX in general (e.g., websites shying away behind a shield and hiding behind a subscribe dialog as soon as a human visitor shows up) –, once the original event is over.

by con 6y ago

DarthGhandi 6y ago

It's absurdly common with news articles. They never link the stats/paper/organisation. I often wonder about the amount of collective time spent by individuals simply trying to find the data summarised in an article. For all the lamenting about the media's decline there's plenty of amateur blogs out there that manage to link their sources when writing an article.

mherdeg 6y ago
My pet peeve is when news organizations write about a court case (whether civil, like a lawsuit, or criminal) and forget to include (1) the court name and docket number so you can look up the status and filings yourself; (2) a copy of the latest filings to date (this can be harder to do depending on your platform).
freeflight 6y ago
It's even more infuriating when certain words have a link you would expect to be the source, but it turns out the link only leads to a sub-category of news about the word.
goostavos 6y ago
This is my biggest pet peeve with news in general. Why does a high school paper have more rigor in terms of citations than the average post from a major news organization? It honestly drives me crazy. How in the world can a majority of major news organizations not overcome the hurdle of... adding links to what they're covering..? It makes digesting political news all but impossible.
- montebicyclelo 6y ago
  I suspect there is motivation for a news organisation not to send users away from their website.
  - ekianjo 6y ago
    Probably because content outside of news websites is a lot more worth a read.
    - remarkEon 6y ago
      And often, but not always, actually contradicts the headline and/or the content of the "news" article itself.
- som33 6y ago
  >This is my biggest pet peeve with news in general. Why does a high school paper have more rigor in terms of citations than the average post from a major news organization? Because news is not meant to inform, it's meant to indoctrinate and keep you passively under the thumb of the rich. https://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Consent-Political-Economy-Media/dp/B06Y2LSTZZ https://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Consent-Political-Econo... >It makes digesting political news all but impossible. The question is do you know the upper classes know your brain doesn't see the world as it is, you can be told the facts and not reason to the right conclusion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- specialist 6y ago
  One reason I heard, but have not verified, is that their content managements systems don't support links. Pathetic, right?
dewey 6y ago
I was wondering the same and once when I asked someone who knows about the topic the answer was basically: Don't want to give free backlinks for SEO, don't want people to just scroll to the link and leave the site. It might just be a policy to not add links except if it's to articles on the same site, which is obviously stupid from the user's point of view.
AmericanChopper 6y ago
It’s not very relevant to a story about eels, but the problem media has with primary sources, is that you can’t spin primary sources. They would rather have you read their editorial account of the primary source, rather than provide it to you, where there’s a greater risk of you making up for own mind about what to think of it.
- mokus 6y ago
  It’s infuriating how true this seems to be. Especially in politics, so many big-name news sites across the entire political spectrum seem to consistently run stories that collapse instantly when checked. How on earth do they still exist with a business model that seems to consist solely of making absurd interpretations of YouTube videos and tweets?
nicthesailor 6y ago
Fwiw, I recently started writing for a well-known website. When I asked if it's okay to link to sources, they told me I was allowed to if absolutely necessary. I should try not to because it takes readers away from our site, and they might not come back. I suspect that many sites have the same line of reasoning.
- bartread 6y ago
  > I should try not to because it takes readers away from our site, and they might not come back. > I suspect that many sites have the same line of reasoning. Not your fault, obviously, but FFS: this is the most vapid line of reasoning. If I want to find out more I'm going to leave your site anyway, so surely it's better if I'm not irritated by your lack of citations when I do inevitably go? Does Wikipedia worry about people leaving and not coming back? No. Do you know why I go back to Wikipedia all the effing time, often using it as a starting point for research? Well, one of the big reasons is that many articles have a decent list of authoritative citations and external links at the bottom that I can use to find out more when I need or want to. Talk about myopic: even the BBC do this, and it's incredibly frustrating. Absolutely smacks of some clueless senior manager[1] setting up the wrong metrics for measuring site performance. [1] Manager bashing is a bit of a tired trope here on HN and I'm not trying to make a generalisation but, as with every job, some of them are certainly idiots/clowns.
  - karatinversion 6y ago
    Wikipedia’s business isn’t monetising people’s attention.
    - chongli 6y ago
      Thus news should not be a business. The business model of news is diametrically opposed to informing the public. We’re better off sticking to nonprofit journalism.
    - CuriousSkeptic 6y ago
      Yet Wikipedia is the one creating actual economic value

sosodev 6y ago

Thanks for linking to the source. This is super cool! I'm going to try and get through tomorrow night. I hope the eels appreciate English.

masswerk 6y ago

I suggest to repurpose the hashtag (#pleaseRememberHumans) for an initiative about human needs regarding news sites – and also for issues with overly crafted UX in general (e.g., websites shying away behind a shield and hiding behind a subscribe dialog as soon as a human visitor shows up) –, once the original event is over.