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> In the West everything is for the self. We're happy to tear each other apart for the chance at getting some individual gains. If that were the case, we would

> In the West everything is for the self. We're happy to tear each other apart for the chance at getting some individual gains. If that were the case, we wouldn't have the concept of "the West". The West is a collectivist idea. As a matter of fact, "the West" is even more of a collectivist idea than china since china is a nation but "the West" is a collection of nations centered around race/culture. For china to be "collectivistic" on our level, they'd have to build up an idea of "the East" or "East Asia" Or "Asia" to counter "the West". They, being too shortsighted or individualistic, haven't created such an idea/institution. The "individualistic" west and "collectivist" east is nonsense. People are people and it's the same all around. Was the US, british empire or nazi germany any less collectivistic than china today? Is white supremacy or german nationalism any less collectivistic than chinese nationalism or japanese nationalism? I don't see the difference.

chance_state 6y ago
I think you're playing semantics here. The collective, nationalistic culture of China isn't a fact in dispute. The fact that the West acts as a union of extremely disparate and unique nations in league is not even remotely comparable to China's united national front.
- dntbnmpls 6y ago
  > I think you're playing semantics here. Where? > The collective, nationalistic culture of China isn't a fact in dispute. Really? If they are so collectivistic and nationalistic, how come there is two of them ( china and taiwan )? > The fact that the West acts as a union of extremely disparate and unique nations Extremely disparate and unique? It's pretty much a white western european club. If we are so different what is this borg-like idea of "western values"? There is nothing unique about "the West". Actually, "the West" is the antithesis of unique. We are borg-like in our insistence that everyone adopt "western values" - whatever nonsense that is. > in league is not even remotely comparable to China's united national front. I know. That's my point. The West is even a greater kind of collectivism. It's a higher form of collectivism which allows the West to rule "the Rest". At a national level, the collectivism is pretty much the same. What makes the West unique is that have a higher form of collectivism. It's why "the West", not an individual country is attacking china. It's also why there is no "the East" backing/helping china. The silliness about western individuality and eastern collectivism is a decades old trope not born out in reality - at an individual, national or supranational level.
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chance_state 6y ago

I think you're playing semantics here. The collective, nationalistic culture of China isn't a fact in dispute. The fact that the West acts as a union of extremely disparate and unique nations in league is not even remotely comparable to China's united national front.

dntbnmpls 6y ago
> I think you're playing semantics here. Where? > The collective, nationalistic culture of China isn't a fact in dispute. Really? If they are so collectivistic and nationalistic, how come there is two of them ( china and taiwan )? > The fact that the West acts as a union of extremely disparate and unique nations Extremely disparate and unique? It's pretty much a white western european club. If we are so different what is this borg-like idea of "western values"? There is nothing unique about "the West". Actually, "the West" is the antithesis of unique. We are borg-like in our insistence that everyone adopt "western values" - whatever nonsense that is. > in league is not even remotely comparable to China's united national front. I know. That's my point. The West is even a greater kind of collectivism. It's a higher form of collectivism which allows the West to rule "the Rest". At a national level, the collectivism is pretty much the same. What makes the West unique is that have a higher form of collectivism. It's why "the West", not an individual country is attacking china. It's also why there is no "the East" backing/helping china. The silliness about western individuality and eastern collectivism is a decades old trope not born out in reality - at an individual, national or supranational level.
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