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>The guy is the leader of the free world! He's making random screw ups every few days. He has single handedly turned himself into a joke. I wish this site woul

>The guy is the leader of the free world! He's making random screw ups every few days. He has single handedly turned himself into a joke. I wish this site would allow me to self-detach my own sub-thread. There are things I'd like to say which might not be wholly aligned with the site guidelines. At least most people seem to be ignoring our conversation. :) I'll just say that I don't disagree with this sentiment. >If you or me said the things he said, we'd be considered idiots by our peers. Absolutely true. >the benefit of the doubt has been granted way too many times for there to be any further doubt that this guy is anything other than a buffoon! I think you are simply saying that it is well established that Trump is a buffoon. Granting that premise, I still believe we should each investigate the veracity of any subsequent claims about him before accepting them as true. And push back if they prove false.

osrec 6y ago
> I wish this site would allow me to self-detach my own sub-thread. There are things I'd like to say which might not be wholly aligned with the site guidelines. At least most people seem to be ignoring our conversation. :) I'll just say that I don't disagree with this sentiment. Personally, I do not feel no anger or the need to move away from the guidelines; I disagree with you, but that's okay :) Honestly, I was hoping to understand your point of view, while presenting mine. So far, your point of view comes across as: "yes, he may be a buffoon, but the media overplay it, and every new action must be taken on its own merit". I think that's fair enough argument, but you cannot gloss over the "he is a buffoon" bit by defending it using the "the media overplay it, and every new action must be taken on its own merit" bit. I guess what I'm saying is that the US P should not be/come across as a buffoon.
- jshevek 6y ago
  >So far, your point of view comes across as: "yes, he may be a buffoon, but the media overplay it, and every new action must be taken on its own merit". If the topic is "Is Trump a buffoon?" then yes, that's a fair characterization. It is also my opinion that he is much worse than a buffoon, while also not being nearly as bad as he is often portrayed. >the US P should not be/come across as a buffoon. I agree. >I do not feel no anger or the need to move away from the guidelines I wasn't angry when I wrote that. Just like I can be angry and say something that's clearly not flamebait, I can be dispassionate and say something that is taken as flamebait. Many of my opinions about Trump, both positive and negative, add absolutely nothing of substance to the conversation, I mention some of my negative ones here partly to clarify the boundaries of agreement and disagreement between you and I. >Honestly, I was hoping to understand your point of view, while presenting mine. I appreciate the respectful exchange, and your open mindedness.

osrec 6y ago

> I wish this site would allow me to self-detach my own sub-thread. There are things I'd like to say which might not be wholly aligned with the site guidelines. At least most people seem to be ignoring our conversation. :) I'll just say that I don't disagree with this sentiment. Personally, I do not feel no anger or the need to move away from the guidelines; I disagree with you, but that's okay :) Honestly, I was hoping to understand your point of view, while presenting mine. So far, your point of view comes across as: "yes, he may be a buffoon, but the media overplay it, and every new action must be taken on its own merit". I think that's fair enough argument, but you cannot gloss over the "he is a buffoon" bit by defending it using the "the media overplay it, and every new action must be taken on its own merit" bit. I guess what I'm saying is that the US P should not be/come across as a buffoon.

jshevek 6y ago
>So far, your point of view comes across as: "yes, he may be a buffoon, but the media overplay it, and every new action must be taken on its own merit". If the topic is "Is Trump a buffoon?" then yes, that's a fair characterization. It is also my opinion that he is much worse than a buffoon, while also not being nearly as bad as he is often portrayed. >the US P should not be/come across as a buffoon. I agree. >I do not feel no anger or the need to move away from the guidelines I wasn't angry when I wrote that. Just like I can be angry and say something that's clearly not flamebait, I can be dispassionate and say something that is taken as flamebait. Many of my opinions about Trump, both positive and negative, add absolutely nothing of substance to the conversation, I mention some of my negative ones here partly to clarify the boundaries of agreement and disagreement between you and I. >Honestly, I was hoping to understand your point of view, while presenting mine. I appreciate the respectful exchange, and your open mindedness.