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> Playing devil's advocate, it's easy to say there are far more victims of CSA and child pornography than of school shootings among children. Is there any dece

by _hl_ 6y ago

> Playing devil's advocate, it's easy to say there are far more victims of CSA and child pornography than of school shootings among children. Is there any decent data that backs this up? Anecdotally, I have always felt like CSA is a fairly niche issue that is blown way out of proportion, but I don't know how/haven't bothered to confirm or deny this belief. EDIT: I found this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4311357/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4311357/ which seems way too high. Then again it's not exactly something the victims would openly talk about in most cultures, so maybe I'm severely underestimating the prevelance of the issue? Nevertheless, if it is true that 95% of perpetrators are well known to the victim, that doesn't sound like this abuse is happening online. So I don't see how backdooring E2E could possibly help here.

leetcrew 6y ago
> Anecdotally, I have always felt like CSA is a fairly niche issue that is blown way out of proportion, but I don't know how/haven't bothered to confirm or deny this belief. I mean, you could say the same thing of school/mass shootings. it's terrible when they happen, but they make up a pretty small fraction of total homicides.
DanBC 6y ago
About 1% of the male population has a sexual interest in children. Most of these people will never act on that interest, but some of them do go on to commit offences. There is a range of jargon, and that makes searching for information a bit trickier. OCSE = online child sexual exploitation. CSEA = Child sexual exploitation and abuse. CSAM = child sexual abuse material. Here are some UK stats: > Law enforcement agencies in the UK are currently arresting around 450 individuals and safeguarding over 600 children each month through their efforts to combat online CSE. > In the UK alone, it is estimated there are 80,000 people who present a sexual threat to children online. > Statistics from the National Crime Agency (NCA) show that last year 2.88 million accounts were registered globally across the most harmful child sexual abuse dark web sites, with at least 5% believed to be registered in the UK. These are good reports, although they're obviously written from a child protection viewpoint. http://www2.paconsulting.com/rs/526-HZE-833/images/WePROTECT%202019%20Global%20Threat%20Assessment%20%28FINAL%29.pdf http://www2.paconsulting.com/rs/526-HZE-833/images/WePROTECT... https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2019/06/25/fact-sheet-on-online-child-sexual-exploitation-and-abuse/ https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2019/06/25/fact-sheet-on... https://www.iwf.org.uk/report/iwf-2019-annual-report-zero-tolerance https://www.iwf.org.uk/report/iwf-2019-annual-report-zero-to... >> Nevertheless, if it is true that 95% of perpetrators are well known to the victim, that doesn't sound like this abuse is happening online But that abuse often gets put online, or is traded to access other images.
- suizi 6y ago
  How do we know 1% of the male population has such an interest? How do we know it is often put online? Surely, it's incredibly stupid to upload evidence of yourself committing a crime? How much is happening behind closed doors that does not? Can we even tell?

by _hl_ 6y ago

leetcrew 6y ago

> Anecdotally, I have always felt like CSA is a fairly niche issue that is blown way out of proportion, but I don't know how/haven't bothered to confirm or deny this belief. I mean, you could say the same thing of school/mass shootings. it's terrible when they happen, but they make up a pretty small fraction of total homicides.

DanBC 6y ago

About 1% of the male population has a sexual interest in children. Most of these people will never act on that interest, but some of them do go on to commit offences. There is a range of jargon, and that makes searching for information a bit trickier. OCSE = online child sexual exploitation. CSEA = Child sexual exploitation and abuse. CSAM = child sexual abuse material. Here are some UK stats: > Law enforcement agencies in the UK are currently arresting around 450 individuals and safeguarding over 600 children each month through their efforts to combat online CSE. > In the UK alone, it is estimated there are 80,000 people who present a sexual threat to children online. > Statistics from the National Crime Agency (NCA) show that last year 2.88 million accounts were registered globally across the most harmful child sexual abuse dark web sites, with at least 5% believed to be registered in the UK. These are good reports, although they're obviously written from a child protection viewpoint. http://www2.paconsulting.com/rs/526-HZE-833/images/WePROTECT%202019%20Global%20Threat%20Assessment%20%28FINAL%29.pdf http://www2.paconsulting.com/rs/526-HZE-833/images/WePROTECT... https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2019/06/25/fact-sheet-on-online-child-sexual-exploitation-and-abuse/ https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2019/06/25/fact-sheet-on... https://www.iwf.org.uk/report/iwf-2019-annual-report-zero-tolerance https://www.iwf.org.uk/report/iwf-2019-annual-report-zero-to... >> Nevertheless, if it is true that 95% of perpetrators are well known to the victim, that doesn't sound like this abuse is happening online But that abuse often gets put online, or is traded to access other images.

suizi 6y ago
How do we know 1% of the male population has such an interest? How do we know it is often put online? Surely, it's incredibly stupid to upload evidence of yourself committing a crime? How much is happening behind closed doors that does not? Can we even tell?