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Judaism is also quite "racist". There is only one "chosen" people. Everyone else would be/is a second citizen. Who would join a religion to be 2nd citizen?

pianoben 7y ago
I'd encourage you to actually attend a synagogue service, or even just have a chat with a real-life Jewish person, before exposing yourself to ridicule as you have here. In my life as a Jewish person, I've never _once_ hear a rabbi even hint as such a sentiment. Converts are treated exactly as Jewish as those who are born into the faith. What leads you to think otherwise?
- gbear605 7y ago
  I'd suspect that OP was referring to the first century CE when Christianity could be said to have "won out" over Judaism, and yes then Jewish people often were racist in that way, just like people of most cultures then. Nowadays Jewish people aren't racist at all, or at least less so than the average American or European - and OP should have acknowledged and phrased that better.
  - heavenlyblue 7y ago
    Yes, I should have me it more clear that I am speaking of the fact that there is no philosophical reconciliation between Christianity or Judaism; rather than people being racist.
- GuiA 7y ago
  Most every religion does have that bias of "we know better, we've got the holy texts, if you're not with us you're doomed/clueless/need to be saved/unlucky". The fact that modern practitioners in your geographic locale of choice aren't as bigoted as their more literal brethren doesn't mean much, except perhaps that there is hope in undoing the more harmful superstitiousness of religion by raising quality of living (for all, regardless of faith).
  - pianoben 7y ago
    Sure, but that's not what the GP was talking about. They directly stated that those who joined would forever be "second-class citizens", which simply isn't factual.
dsr_ 7y ago
Judaism is clear that God's choosing is not a thing to be desired.
thefounder 7y ago
I'm not saying that Jewish people are racist but (as far as I read) "in Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews, via descent from the ancient Israelites, are the chosen people, i.e. chosen to be in a covenant with God." Apparently "God" decided that not all the people are equal. I could adopt Judaism customs but I would could never be descent from ancient Israelites. This reduces the number of people interested to join Judaism. That was my whole point. As far as discrimination/racism is concerned I think most of the religions(inclusing Judaism and Christianity) have some extreme(i won't name them) and less extreme (i.e interfaith marriage) views but fortunately most people care less about them(and religion in general) and more about their well-being/getting along with everybody.

pianoben 7y ago

I'd encourage you to actually attend a synagogue service, or even just have a chat with a real-life Jewish person, before exposing yourself to ridicule as you have here. In my life as a Jewish person, I've never _once_ hear a rabbi even hint as such a sentiment. Converts are treated exactly as Jewish as those who are born into the faith. What leads you to think otherwise?

gbear605 7y ago
I'd suspect that OP was referring to the first century CE when Christianity could be said to have "won out" over Judaism, and yes then Jewish people often were racist in that way, just like people of most cultures then. Nowadays Jewish people aren't racist at all, or at least less so than the average American or European - and OP should have acknowledged and phrased that better.
- heavenlyblue 7y ago
  Yes, I should have me it more clear that I am speaking of the fact that there is no philosophical reconciliation between Christianity or Judaism; rather than people being racist.
GuiA 7y ago
Most every religion does have that bias of "we know better, we've got the holy texts, if you're not with us you're doomed/clueless/need to be saved/unlucky". The fact that modern practitioners in your geographic locale of choice aren't as bigoted as their more literal brethren doesn't mean much, except perhaps that there is hope in undoing the more harmful superstitiousness of religion by raising quality of living (for all, regardless of faith).
- pianoben 7y ago
  Sure, but that's not what the GP was talking about. They directly stated that those who joined would forever be "second-class citizens", which simply isn't factual.

dsr_ 7y ago

Judaism is clear that God's choosing is not a thing to be desired.

thefounder 7y ago

I'm not saying that Jewish people are racist but (as far as I read) "in Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews, via descent from the ancient Israelites, are the chosen people, i.e. chosen to be in a covenant with God." Apparently "God" decided that not all the people are equal. I could adopt Judaism customs but I would could never be descent from ancient Israelites. This reduces the number of people interested to join Judaism. That was my whole point. As far as discrimination/racism is concerned I think most of the religions(inclusing Judaism and Christianity) have some extreme(i won't name them) and less extreme (i.e interfaith marriage) views but fortunately most people care less about them(and religion in general) and more about their well-being/getting along with everybody.