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> Everybody does what they want. As opposed to what? Everyone having their own personal sort of projects or splitting up in groups of two and three is natural

by MiroF 6y ago

> Everybody does what they want. As opposed to what? Everyone having their own personal sort of projects or splitting up in groups of two and three is natural in the academia research groups I’ve been in to. What is wrong with that?

high_derivative 6y ago
Because you cannot deliver experimental physics breakthroughs or hardware with teams of two deciding every week what they feel like doing. Have you ever thought about how much work it takes to deliver hardware? How many teams and processes and planning there are involved from physics level to software stack to deliver something usable? It's insane. And normal processor hardware is something people have experience with. For a physics experiment, virtually everything is custom made and you only have budget for a few fixes or trials on each component. There is just not much room for slack.
- mturmon 6y ago
  Smart comment. I work at a large lab that does cutting-edge hardware development. The slow buildup of fabrication and fundamental-physics know-how is hard for someone who has mostly worked on software to appreciate. To realize these breakthroughs, you need to plan at the decade time scale.
- MiroF 6y ago
  > For a physics experiment, virtually everything is custom made and you only have budget for a few fixes or trials on each component. I'm actually speaking from my experience in experimental physics (solid state) labs. Certainly, you can't just have teams of two entirely deciding what to do independently of the group, but the level of control and dictation Martinis is speaking about seems like a whole different level. He got pissed just because a theorist tried to come up with an alternate way of doing this wiring and the lab leader didn't shut it down in favor of just him researching the problem.

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> Everybody does what they want. As opposed to what? Everyone having their own personal sort of projects or splitting up in groups of two and three is natural

by MiroF 6y ago

high_derivative 6y ago
Because you cannot deliver experimental physics breakthroughs or hardware with teams of two deciding every week what they feel like doing. Have you ever thought about how much work it takes to deliver hardware? How many teams and processes and planning there are involved from physics level to software stack to deliver something usable? It's insane. And normal processor hardware is something people have experience with. For a physics experiment, virtually everything is custom made and you only have budget for a few fixes or trials on each component. There is just not much room for slack.
- mturmon 6y ago
  Smart comment. I work at a large lab that does cutting-edge hardware development. The slow buildup of fabrication and fundamental-physics know-how is hard for someone who has mostly worked on software to appreciate. To realize these breakthroughs, you need to plan at the decade time scale.
- MiroF 6y ago
  > For a physics experiment, virtually everything is custom made and you only have budget for a few fixes or trials on each component. I'm actually speaking from my experience in experimental physics (solid state) labs. Certainly, you can't just have teams of two entirely deciding what to do independently of the group, but the level of control and dictation Martinis is speaking about seems like a whole different level. He got pissed just because a theorist tried to come up with an alternate way of doing this wiring and the lab leader didn't shut it down in favor of just him researching the problem.