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Hosted k8s has changed my life. Let me focus on my business and not my infra.

by brianwawok 7y ago

StreamBright 7y ago
Have you had any serious yet? If you are on the happy path does not really matter what you use.
- brianwawok 7y ago
  Any serious what? I am running a mildly successful SaaS business on hosted kubernetes, yes.
  - StreamBright 7y ago
    Sorry, HN made me retry couple of times. Any serious troubles with Kubernetes. Have you had any of those?
    - brianwawok 7y ago
      No I have not. Going on 3 years now?
      - StreamBright 7y ago
        Great. So you do not have any experience with the worst-case scenario. That is exactly my point. I would like to hear your opinion once you fixed an outage that is caused by K8s.
        brianwawok 7y ago
        Well what is this outage caused by? Not understanding how k8s work, or actual provider screwing up? if the former - I try to read carefully and test my workloads in a test cluster before I do it in prod. if the latter, I think google has excellent operational excellence. This is like saying you wouldn't take driving advice from me until I total a few cars. Perhaps I didn't total a few cars because I make good driving decisions?
        StreamBright 7y ago
        An outage that is caused by k8s. You can pick a random from this list. https://github.com/hjacobs/kubernetes-failure-stories https://github.com/hjacobs/kubernetes-failure-stories >>This is like saying you wouldn't take driving advice from me until I total a few cars No, I am saying you do not have enough experience with k8s. That is all. Totaling a car implying you are driving, using k8s implying that whoever wrote that particular part of k8s is driving. You have some control but ultimately you need to understand what is going on. As that list shows many companies who put k8s into production learned it in a hard way.
        brianwawok 7y ago
        Sorry I’m not following Should I compile a list of failure stores for companies that ran Linux because Linux is complicated or has had various bugs? How about a list of failure stories of how Ruby causes problems? You can get errors with any system. You would need to prove to me that k8s has say more errors per day than a competitor (lambda? VMs). I just don’t understand...
        StreamBright 7y ago
        >> Hosted k8s has changed my life. Let me focus on my business and not my infra. This is the claim that you made. I would argue that since you do not have experience with it you perceive it as you do not need to focus on your infra. Once you run into a failure with k8s and you actually need to fix it, this might change. That is all.
        brianwawok 7y ago
        Why would it I have run into Linux failures. I still use Linux. I have ran into bugs in Java. I still use Java when it makes sense. So not sure what you are trying to get to. You give up on a technology the first time you have a problem?
rb808 7y ago
expensive though?
- brianwawok 7y ago
  Not really, total cloud costs are under 5% of my revenue. If I want to shave pennies, I have many places to shave before the very thing that is the heart of my business.

Hosted k8s has changed my life. Let me focus on my business and not my infra.

StreamBright 7y ago

Have you had any serious yet? If you are on the happy path does not really matter what you use.

brianwawok 7y ago
Any serious what? I am running a mildly successful SaaS business on hosted kubernetes, yes.
- StreamBright 7y ago
  Sorry, HN made me retry couple of times. Any serious troubles with Kubernetes. Have you had any of those?
  - brianwawok 7y ago
    No I have not. Going on 3 years now?
    - StreamBright 7y ago
      Great. So you do not have any experience with the worst-case scenario. That is exactly my point. I would like to hear your opinion once you fixed an outage that is caused by K8s.
      - brianwawok 7y ago
        Well what is this outage caused by? Not understanding how k8s work, or actual provider screwing up? if the former - I try to read carefully and test my workloads in a test cluster before I do it in prod. if the latter, I think google has excellent operational excellence. This is like saying you wouldn't take driving advice from me until I total a few cars. Perhaps I didn't total a few cars because I make good driving decisions?
        StreamBright 7y ago
        An outage that is caused by k8s. You can pick a random from this list. https://github.com/hjacobs/kubernetes-failure-stories https://github.com/hjacobs/kubernetes-failure-stories >>This is like saying you wouldn't take driving advice from me until I total a few cars No, I am saying you do not have enough experience with k8s. That is all. Totaling a car implying you are driving, using k8s implying that whoever wrote that particular part of k8s is driving. You have some control but ultimately you need to understand what is going on. As that list shows many companies who put k8s into production learned it in a hard way.
        brianwawok 7y ago
        Sorry I’m not following Should I compile a list of failure stores for companies that ran Linux because Linux is complicated or has had various bugs? How about a list of failure stories of how Ruby causes problems? You can get errors with any system. You would need to prove to me that k8s has say more errors per day than a competitor (lambda? VMs). I just don’t understand...
        StreamBright 7y ago
        >> Hosted k8s has changed my life. Let me focus on my business and not my infra. This is the claim that you made. I would argue that since you do not have experience with it you perceive it as you do not need to focus on your infra. Once you run into a failure with k8s and you actually need to fix it, this might change. That is all.
        brianwawok 7y ago
        Why would it I have run into Linux failures. I still use Linux. I have ran into bugs in Java. I still use Java when it makes sense. So not sure what you are trying to get to. You give up on a technology the first time you have a problem?

rb808 7y ago

expensive though?

brianwawok 7y ago
Not really, total cloud costs are under 5% of my revenue. If I want to shave pennies, I have many places to shave before the very thing that is the heart of my business.