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I feel like your straw manning here. Shouldn't you be criticizing her work and not how she came to do the work? The how is just a story, sure it's fantastical.

I feel like your straw manning here. Shouldn't you be criticizing her work and not how she came to do the work? The how is just a story, sure it's fantastical. Sure she probably did drug tourism explicitly. Does that detract from the outcomes? Does it make the data less trustworthy? I assume you know a little bit about the startup scene since you're reading HN. Do investors buy tech or do they buy compelling stories?

hobs 6y ago
And if you tell an investor a story with a little too much bs, expect their detector to go off. People who don't call you on your bs are not that good at investing to start off with.
- bluntfang 6y ago
  I imagine anyone interesting in investing in learning to communicate with plants is well versed in the ideas of plant medicine. It makes sense that this story would set up bullshit detectors here. This is a tech startup aggregator, not a biology science aggregator.
pvaldes 6y ago
> She did drug tourism. Does it make the data less trustworthy? Mmmh... Yes it does?. Would we build the hanging bridge designed by the drunk engineer, or would take the design of the sober boring guy? This is not much different. This looks more a quest for social acceptation in the line of "craving to be seen as cool" than about dry truth. Probably fueled by horrible working conditions as researcher or by the pressure of finding something, whatever, before a narrow interval of time expires. Can bring the beacon and even show something new and unexpected, but can distroy also her credibility pursuing a ghost race. Is a treacherous path. "The first time I went, I found this place that was in my dream. It was just exactly the same as what I saw in my dream. It was the same man I saw in my dream, grinning in the same way as he was in my dream." This paragraph honestly triggers a blinking red flag for me. "of course, all plants are psychedelic" seriously?
- bluntfang 6y ago
  >Would we build the hanging bridge designed by the drunk engineer, or would take the design of the sober boring guy? Are you trying to say that successful engineers can't drink outside of the job? Why the heck do you think startups have beer hours? It's so they get a little loose and talk about their work and think up of ways to solve their current problems.
chownie 6y ago
I actually mentioned the work directly, it's hooked on research starting in the 1800s that she appears to be replicating. We know that Mimosa Pudica can learn, we've known this for over 100 years at this point. She is selling her work through the story, the story is full of holes and requests to just believe in spite of those holes. It detracts from the outcomes because she's being openly untrustworthy.

hobs 6y ago

And if you tell an investor a story with a little too much bs, expect their detector to go off. People who don't call you on your bs are not that good at investing to start off with.

bluntfang 6y ago
I imagine anyone interesting in investing in learning to communicate with plants is well versed in the ideas of plant medicine. It makes sense that this story would set up bullshit detectors here. This is a tech startup aggregator, not a biology science aggregator.

pvaldes 6y ago

> She did drug tourism. Does it make the data less trustworthy? Mmmh... Yes it does?. Would we build the hanging bridge designed by the drunk engineer, or would take the design of the sober boring guy? This is not much different. This looks more a quest for social acceptation in the line of "craving to be seen as cool" than about dry truth. Probably fueled by horrible working conditions as researcher or by the pressure of finding something, whatever, before a narrow interval of time expires. Can bring the beacon and even show something new and unexpected, but can distroy also her credibility pursuing a ghost race. Is a treacherous path. "The first time I went, I found this place that was in my dream. It was just exactly the same as what I saw in my dream. It was the same man I saw in my dream, grinning in the same way as he was in my dream." This paragraph honestly triggers a blinking red flag for me. "of course, all plants are psychedelic" seriously?

bluntfang 6y ago
>Would we build the hanging bridge designed by the drunk engineer, or would take the design of the sober boring guy? Are you trying to say that successful engineers can't drink outside of the job? Why the heck do you think startups have beer hours? It's so they get a little loose and talk about their work and think up of ways to solve their current problems.

chownie 6y ago

I actually mentioned the work directly, it's hooked on research starting in the 1800s that she appears to be replicating. We know that Mimosa Pudica can learn, we've known this for over 100 years at this point. She is selling her work through the story, the story is full of holes and requests to just believe in spite of those holes. It detracts from the outcomes because she's being openly untrustworthy.