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Write down what you eat. Even if you change nothing, you'll re-consider grazing/snacking. Write it down before you eat it for extra effectiveness. Shameless p

Write down what you eat. Even if you change nothing, you'll re-consider grazing/snacking. Write it down before you eat it for extra effectiveness. Shameless plugs in my post history. But to be clear, even a sheet of paper can be tremendously helpful.

eyelidlessness 6y ago
As a person who recalls every bite and gains weight at one meal a day with no snacking at all, this is not helpful. I'm still looking for advice on why I'm being told to count my food intake in a lisp discussion.
- jedberg 6y ago
  I apologize if the comment upset you, that wasn't my intention. The thread was about Lisp, Johnny Cash, and Peter Norvig, the last of whom I was quoting. It seemed perfectly relevant.
- deleted 6y ago
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- parasubvert 6y ago
  This is no more a lisp discussion than a Johnny Cash discussion. You can ignore the top post if it doesn’t interest you. As an aside, obesity is a disease that hormonally and mentally encourages self deception. The point of writing everything down and (most importantly) translating this list into objective calorie counts (usually looked up from a third party reference) is to remove this self deception. It is one of the most effective ways to leverage logic and willpower over habits and hormones. There are other ways of course.
  - eyelidlessness 6y ago
    The post is a topic that discusses tech. The commenter discussed eating advice to “avoid getting fat” that is plainly unbelievable to people who experience weight gain following said advice and who don’t benefit from being told to starve themselves more or be more hyper aware of the fact that it doesn’t matter how little they eat they gain weight. The post had nothing to do with getting fat. Of course I’m welcome to ignore everything that makes me feel bad for gaining weight but it’s shitty to be gaining weight and told it’s my fault for eating too much when I barely eat.
    - User23 6y ago
      Have you tried lifting heavy weights? Follow a program like Starting Strength and make that calorie surplus work for you. Being skinnyfat isn’t really a compelling goal. Lift and gaining weight becomes a good thing, because it means you’re putting on muscle.
      - hvna 6y ago
        Starting strength is great for smaller men and women but can be hard on bigger people. Especially with Rippletoe's eating philosophy. I gained 15kg when I started SS so be careful. It was worth it and my numbers went up a ton, but it's always good to measure your options. If you're very large it is worthwhile to hire a trainer. They will teach you how to get started easily without jumping off the deep end.
    - parasubvert 6y ago
      The topic was an amusing anecdote from Peter Norvig with a tech slant. Other anecdotes are likely on topic Regarding Obesity, I am not assigning blame or trying to make you feel bad. I’m calling the situation (that I too suffer from) a disease. There are various practices, with varying effectiveness for individuals, to approach the management of this disease. There is no fault in disease, there are only victims of it. Portion control is one practice, as is writing down consumption. They might not be effective for you. I have been most successful with protein sparing modified fasts such as Lyle McDonald’s rapid fat loss and/or flexible dieting. He takes a very scientific approach to body composition and realistic food intake without shame.
    - d110af5ccf 6y ago
      > who experience weight gain following said advice > it doesn’t matter how little they eat they gain weight A few thoughts in no particular order: * Weight gain (of the adipose sort) is quite literally your body storing energy. * Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. [citation needed] * Unless your gut is performing nuclear physics, your energy intake is directly equivalent to the food you consume. * Obesity is primarily a hunger problem - you're feeling hungry when you don't require additional calories. * Some foods (ex broccoli, leafy greens) are nearly physically impossible to consume too many calories from. * Some foods (ex macadamia nuts) are _incredibly easy_ to consume too many calories from.
- karatestomp 6y ago
  I’ve done a diet in which I used packaged and prepared food for ease of calorie counting and ate about 1400 calories a day for couple months. I also did a lot more aerobic exercise than I usually did (running, bicycling, elliptical machines). Result? Not what any of the “calories in calories out” calculators claimed. About a pound down. Should have been more like seven to ten. What works for me: weight lifting, swimming. Both wildly more effective than they “should” be. Dieting and aerobic exercise do about dick-all to take fat off my frame. Try various things in various combinations.
  - onemoresoop 6y ago
    This reminds me of a friend who got on the 1400 calories diet with reduced carbs. He lost 50 pounds in about 3 months but the losses started to slow down after 3 months. He is unrecognizable now. Not sure if this counts but he first put on this extra weight during the last 3 years and mostly from stress eating.

eyelidlessness 6y ago

As a person who recalls every bite and gains weight at one meal a day with no snacking at all, this is not helpful. I'm still looking for advice on why I'm being told to count my food intake in a lisp discussion.

jedberg 6y ago
I apologize if the comment upset you, that wasn't my intention. The thread was about Lisp, Johnny Cash, and Peter Norvig, the last of whom I was quoting. It seemed perfectly relevant.
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parasubvert 6y ago
This is no more a lisp discussion than a Johnny Cash discussion. You can ignore the top post if it doesn’t interest you. As an aside, obesity is a disease that hormonally and mentally encourages self deception. The point of writing everything down and (most importantly) translating this list into objective calorie counts (usually looked up from a third party reference) is to remove this self deception. It is one of the most effective ways to leverage logic and willpower over habits and hormones. There are other ways of course.
- eyelidlessness 6y ago
  The post is a topic that discusses tech. The commenter discussed eating advice to “avoid getting fat” that is plainly unbelievable to people who experience weight gain following said advice and who don’t benefit from being told to starve themselves more or be more hyper aware of the fact that it doesn’t matter how little they eat they gain weight. The post had nothing to do with getting fat. Of course I’m welcome to ignore everything that makes me feel bad for gaining weight but it’s shitty to be gaining weight and told it’s my fault for eating too much when I barely eat.
  - User23 6y ago
    Have you tried lifting heavy weights? Follow a program like Starting Strength and make that calorie surplus work for you. Being skinnyfat isn’t really a compelling goal. Lift and gaining weight becomes a good thing, because it means you’re putting on muscle.
    - hvna 6y ago
      Starting strength is great for smaller men and women but can be hard on bigger people. Especially with Rippletoe's eating philosophy. I gained 15kg when I started SS so be careful. It was worth it and my numbers went up a ton, but it's always good to measure your options. If you're very large it is worthwhile to hire a trainer. They will teach you how to get started easily without jumping off the deep end.
  - parasubvert 6y ago
    The topic was an amusing anecdote from Peter Norvig with a tech slant. Other anecdotes are likely on topic Regarding Obesity, I am not assigning blame or trying to make you feel bad. I’m calling the situation (that I too suffer from) a disease. There are various practices, with varying effectiveness for individuals, to approach the management of this disease. There is no fault in disease, there are only victims of it. Portion control is one practice, as is writing down consumption. They might not be effective for you. I have been most successful with protein sparing modified fasts such as Lyle McDonald’s rapid fat loss and/or flexible dieting. He takes a very scientific approach to body composition and realistic food intake without shame.
  - d110af5ccf 6y ago
    > who experience weight gain following said advice > it doesn’t matter how little they eat they gain weight A few thoughts in no particular order: * Weight gain (of the adipose sort) is quite literally your body storing energy. * Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. [citation needed] * Unless your gut is performing nuclear physics, your energy intake is directly equivalent to the food you consume. * Obesity is primarily a hunger problem - you're feeling hungry when you don't require additional calories. * Some foods (ex broccoli, leafy greens) are nearly physically impossible to consume too many calories from. * Some foods (ex macadamia nuts) are _incredibly easy_ to consume too many calories from.
karatestomp 6y ago
I’ve done a diet in which I used packaged and prepared food for ease of calorie counting and ate about 1400 calories a day for couple months. I also did a lot more aerobic exercise than I usually did (running, bicycling, elliptical machines). Result? Not what any of the “calories in calories out” calculators claimed. About a pound down. Should have been more like seven to ten. What works for me: weight lifting, swimming. Both wildly more effective than they “should” be. Dieting and aerobic exercise do about dick-all to take fat off my frame. Try various things in various combinations.
- onemoresoop 6y ago
  This reminds me of a friend who got on the 1400 calories diet with reduced carbs. He lost 50 pounds in about 3 months but the losses started to slow down after 3 months. He is unrecognizable now. Not sure if this counts but he first put on this extra weight during the last 3 years and mostly from stress eating.