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It wants to be secure personal server that anyone and their mother can setup and use. I have hard time understanding how people have hard time understanding thi

by mgn01 6y ago

It wants to be secure personal server that anyone and their mother can setup and use. I have hard time understanding how people have hard time understanding this. It's not that "complex" guys.

bigyikes 6y ago
Maybe I’m just a dummy but... that sounds a lot more complex than systems I am familiar with
crocodiletears 6y ago
It's mostly a component of how deliberately obtuse the terminology behind it was early on (with no clear explanation), and how smarmy the early adopters are/were about describing it early on. I knew a guy who was big into it back in 2013. He refused to describe it as anything other than 'everything you could ever want computing to be'. Ask for specifics, and he'd just use the project's own terminology and act like you were stupid if you wanted clarification. Personal server doesn't really do the project justice, because it does nothing to differentiate it in someone's mind from spinning up a vm on digitalocean with no specific intent. It will make more sense once the platform actually has software you can point to, but it'll still need more explanation to justify its existence.
- mgn01 6y ago
  While both are personal servers, I think Urbit is (and can be) a lot more friendly to average person than telling Average Joe to setup a vm in digitalocean and then through some magic make it communicate with your friends.
  - crocodiletears 6y ago
    Which is kind of my point. The layman isn't going to get the meaning of 'personal server', but the term itself is too broad for the technically proficient. Like describing ios as 'windows on a phone'. The interaction models are completely different, and so to are softwares that most people would want to use on or is even available for it. Nothing about Urbit as I understand it is fundamentally alien to most developers save its nomenclature, and the way it's architected. But without that base of knowledge, the advantages and limitations of its model - and by extension its applications, are hard to wrap your head around.

by mgn01 6y ago

It wants to be secure personal server that anyone and their mother can setup and use. I have hard time understanding how people have hard time understanding this. It's not that "complex" guys.

bigyikes 6y ago

Maybe I’m just a dummy but... that sounds a lot more complex than systems I am familiar with

crocodiletears 6y ago

It's mostly a component of how deliberately obtuse the terminology behind it was early on (with no clear explanation), and how smarmy the early adopters are/were about describing it early on. I knew a guy who was big into it back in 2013. He refused to describe it as anything other than 'everything you could ever want computing to be'. Ask for specifics, and he'd just use the project's own terminology and act like you were stupid if you wanted clarification. Personal server doesn't really do the project justice, because it does nothing to differentiate it in someone's mind from spinning up a vm on digitalocean with no specific intent. It will make more sense once the platform actually has software you can point to, but it'll still need more explanation to justify its existence.

mgn01 6y ago
While both are personal servers, I think Urbit is (and can be) a lot more friendly to average person than telling Average Joe to setup a vm in digitalocean and then through some magic make it communicate with your friends.
- crocodiletears 6y ago
  Which is kind of my point. The layman isn't going to get the meaning of 'personal server', but the term itself is too broad for the technically proficient. Like describing ios as 'windows on a phone'. The interaction models are completely different, and so to are softwares that most people would want to use on or is even available for it. Nothing about Urbit as I understand it is fundamentally alien to most developers save its nomenclature, and the way it's architected. But without that base of knowledge, the advantages and limitations of its model - and by extension its applications, are hard to wrap your head around.