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Good for you. <First, it is somewhat related to the post but not very related, so the comment adds more noise than information. Perhaps you can submit it as an

by htnsao 6y ago

Good for you. <First, it is somewhat related to the post but not very related, so the comment adds more noise than information. Perhaps you can submit it as an independent post instead of a comment. It's very related in my opinion. I submitted a post once about a important new method of electromechanical desalination but it didn't get anywhere so it seems like comments are the surest way to get eyes on the info here. I have been reading the bickering scene here for awhile and just recently signed-up to post, not sure how the algo works. < Prototype or it didn't happen. They have two working protypes already after many years of research. Check the vid. Actually perhaps the most controversial part of what they have done with their work is validation of the Electric Sun theory. The energy spin-off was not the original goal.

gus_massa 6y ago
Thread hijacking is an easy way to get downvotes. Expect downvotes if you do this again. About the other submission, some submissions are lucky and some unlucky. Keep trying. (I took a look, it looks too complicated. Do they have a working prototype?) --- I watched the video. It shows a device to produce plasma. Fluorescent lamps also use plasma, so I'm not impressed. It is not a working prototype, it is just an experiment. They should show a device that can create a self sustainable reaction without being plugged in, and release energy. Specially because it is a low energy nuclear reaction (aka cold fusion) that is an area with a very shady history. The video has some claims like "Energy density analogous to the Sun" but note that the outer layers of the Sun have a very low density. The main result is that the device gets hot (113°C = 235.4°F), but it is only the temperature of a single spot in a big device running for a long time. Why don't they keep the temperature stable for a while? They reuse the Hydrogen? All of them or a part is lost in fusion? I also read the link in Science and Technology > Theory and is has a huge disclaimer and then three theories that are unrelated to how the device work and that have no experimental support and have very little support in the community.
- htnsao 6y ago
  >Thread hijacking is an easy way to get downvotes. Expect downvotes if you do this again. Right, ok well thread drift seems to be the norm on HN. Connecting ideas et al. The link is to 'theenergytransition.org' -- and this is about that. >About the other submission, some submissions are lucky and some unlucky. Keep trying. OK, might do that with a sharper hook. >(I took a look, it looks too complicated. Do they have a working prototype?) Actually the mechanical induction desalinator design looks like it could be relatively simple to make with 3D printing and a pancake coil. It's on my project list. Not sure at what stage Vorsana has taken it to so far. The suite of related radial counter-flow patents were sold to an ex-employee who now has a manufacturing startup based in Vernon, BC. I think they previously ran a successful company based on prior patents from the same inventor. A similar counter-spinning design purifies water via cavitation, can be powered by a bicycle. >I watched the video. It shows a device to produce plasma. Fluorescent lamps also use plasma, so I'm not impressed. It's controlled ball lightning producing transmutations (like turning radioactive uranium waste into lead (Pb), apparently). And it's a possible replication of the sun, complete with solar flares. >It is not a working prototype, it is just an experiment. ok agreed. They were hired to test the Electric Sun theory (aka Electric Universe). Their first experiment was done in a bell jar and was successful so they built this reactor to take further measurements. >They should show a device that can create a self sustainable reaction without being plugged in, and release energy. Their current reactor needs to be shut down after reducing input to 7% because the temperature goes off the charts. So now they are building a new reactor that can remove heat. >Specially because it is a low energy nuclear reaction (aka cold fusion) that is an area with a very shady history. The shady history part is mainly one of science suppression. Amongst many others, even the US Navy SPAWAR has published replications of the original reactions. Pons & Fleischman have been fully vindicated but mainstream hasn't caught up yet. Till now the effects have not been controlled to such a level because they were working with gas loading powders etc and using heat instead of electricity. >The video has some claims like "Energy density analogous to the Sun" but note that the outer layers of the Sun have a very low density. Maybe you are mixing physical density with energy density? Haven't watched it all in awhile. >The main result is that the device gets hot (113°C = 235.4°F), but it is only the temperature of a single spot in a big device running for a long time. Why don't they keep the temperature stable for a while? See https://aureon.ca/experiment-results https://aureon.ca/experiment-results >They reuse the Hydrogen? All of them or a part is lost in fusion? Yeah the hydrogen is not consumed. >I also read the link in Science and Technology > Theory and is has a huge disclaimer and then three theories that are unrelated to how the device work and that have no experimental support and have very little support in the community. Right. Well I think what they are getting at is their system could be an explanation of what is being seen elsewhere in the LENR community. Their website needs work. As mentioned in the article about Safire linked in my other comment (https://e-catworld.com/2020/04/04/all-revealed-the-safire-project-and-self-organizing-plasmas-evos-faq-director/ https://e-catworld.com/2020/04/04/all-revealed-the-safire-pr...): >26) Are you saying that the phenomena in The SAFIRE Project reactor could be the explanation for Cold Fusion? >Yes! Although this is not absolutely proven yet, the evidence seems to be clear. What’s important to note though is that what The SAFIRE Project has done, even without knowing, is isolate the central mechanism of LENR (probably millions or more of tiny EVOs) and produce a system that generates a singular LARGE SCALE and steady state EVO that can be reproduced on demand. So instead of having to struggle with electrolytic and powder based systems, we now have the knowledge of how to “purify” the phenomena. You see, tradition LENR systems depend upon getting hydrogen into metal which can be challenging to say the least. The fuel has to be specially treated (cleaned, degased, subjected to repeated hydrogen loading cycles, coated with nano-particles, etc) which can make the results difficult to repeat. A pure plasma based system like The SAFIRE Project reactor is FAR more reliable and potentially MUCH more powerful. Many of the variables are removed because we are no longer having to deal with the extreme complexities involved in traditional cold fusion systems. Anyways, now some of you know. cheers.
  - gus_massa 6y ago
    There is a thin line between thread hijacking and thread drift. In my opinion your first comment was in the thread hijacking category. > The shady history part is mainly one of science suppression. Physicist love unexpected experimental results. You make a few tweaks here and there, you get a somewhat interesting result and then you have a paper or a dissertation for your graduate student. Take for example high temperature superconductivity. The idea that a ceramic can be a good high temperature superconductor is totally ridicule. There was no theoretical explanation. But they had a good recipe to make your own ceramic superconductor, so a lot of people confirmed and improved the result.

by htnsao 6y ago

gus_massa 6y ago

Thread hijacking is an easy way to get downvotes. Expect downvotes if you do this again. About the other submission, some submissions are lucky and some unlucky. Keep trying. (I took a look, it looks too complicated. Do they have a working prototype?) --- I watched the video. It shows a device to produce plasma. Fluorescent lamps also use plasma, so I'm not impressed. It is not a working prototype, it is just an experiment. They should show a device that can create a self sustainable reaction without being plugged in, and release energy. Specially because it is a low energy nuclear reaction (aka cold fusion) that is an area with a very shady history. The video has some claims like "Energy density analogous to the Sun" but note that the outer layers of the Sun have a very low density. The main result is that the device gets hot (113°C = 235.4°F), but it is only the temperature of a single spot in a big device running for a long time. Why don't they keep the temperature stable for a while? They reuse the Hydrogen? All of them or a part is lost in fusion? I also read the link in Science and Technology > Theory and is has a huge disclaimer and then three theories that are unrelated to how the device work and that have no experimental support and have very little support in the community.

htnsao 6y ago
>Thread hijacking is an easy way to get downvotes. Expect downvotes if you do this again. Right, ok well thread drift seems to be the norm on HN. Connecting ideas et al. The link is to 'theenergytransition.org' -- and this is about that. >About the other submission, some submissions are lucky and some unlucky. Keep trying. OK, might do that with a sharper hook. >(I took a look, it looks too complicated. Do they have a working prototype?) Actually the mechanical induction desalinator design looks like it could be relatively simple to make with 3D printing and a pancake coil. It's on my project list. Not sure at what stage Vorsana has taken it to so far. The suite of related radial counter-flow patents were sold to an ex-employee who now has a manufacturing startup based in Vernon, BC. I think they previously ran a successful company based on prior patents from the same inventor. A similar counter-spinning design purifies water via cavitation, can be powered by a bicycle. >I watched the video. It shows a device to produce plasma. Fluorescent lamps also use plasma, so I'm not impressed. It's controlled ball lightning producing transmutations (like turning radioactive uranium waste into lead (Pb), apparently). And it's a possible replication of the sun, complete with solar flares. >It is not a working prototype, it is just an experiment. ok agreed. They were hired to test the Electric Sun theory (aka Electric Universe). Their first experiment was done in a bell jar and was successful so they built this reactor to take further measurements. >They should show a device that can create a self sustainable reaction without being plugged in, and release energy. Their current reactor needs to be shut down after reducing input to 7% because the temperature goes off the charts. So now they are building a new reactor that can remove heat. >Specially because it is a low energy nuclear reaction (aka cold fusion) that is an area with a very shady history. The shady history part is mainly one of science suppression. Amongst many others, even the US Navy SPAWAR has published replications of the original reactions. Pons & Fleischman have been fully vindicated but mainstream hasn't caught up yet. Till now the effects have not been controlled to such a level because they were working with gas loading powders etc and using heat instead of electricity. >The video has some claims like "Energy density analogous to the Sun" but note that the outer layers of the Sun have a very low density. Maybe you are mixing physical density with energy density? Haven't watched it all in awhile. >The main result is that the device gets hot (113°C = 235.4°F), but it is only the temperature of a single spot in a big device running for a long time. Why don't they keep the temperature stable for a while? See https://aureon.ca/experiment-results https://aureon.ca/experiment-results >They reuse the Hydrogen? All of them or a part is lost in fusion? Yeah the hydrogen is not consumed. >I also read the link in Science and Technology > Theory and is has a huge disclaimer and then three theories that are unrelated to how the device work and that have no experimental support and have very little support in the community. Right. Well I think what they are getting at is their system could be an explanation of what is being seen elsewhere in the LENR community. Their website needs work. As mentioned in the article about Safire linked in my other comment (https://e-catworld.com/2020/04/04/all-revealed-the-safire-project-and-self-organizing-plasmas-evos-faq-director/ https://e-catworld.com/2020/04/04/all-revealed-the-safire-pr...): >26) Are you saying that the phenomena in The SAFIRE Project reactor could be the explanation for Cold Fusion? >Yes! Although this is not absolutely proven yet, the evidence seems to be clear. What’s important to note though is that what The SAFIRE Project has done, even without knowing, is isolate the central mechanism of LENR (probably millions or more of tiny EVOs) and produce a system that generates a singular LARGE SCALE and steady state EVO that can be reproduced on demand. So instead of having to struggle with electrolytic and powder based systems, we now have the knowledge of how to “purify” the phenomena. You see, tradition LENR systems depend upon getting hydrogen into metal which can be challenging to say the least. The fuel has to be specially treated (cleaned, degased, subjected to repeated hydrogen loading cycles, coated with nano-particles, etc) which can make the results difficult to repeat. A pure plasma based system like The SAFIRE Project reactor is FAR more reliable and potentially MUCH more powerful. Many of the variables are removed because we are no longer having to deal with the extreme complexities involved in traditional cold fusion systems. Anyways, now some of you know. cheers.
- gus_massa 6y ago
  There is a thin line between thread hijacking and thread drift. In my opinion your first comment was in the thread hijacking category. > The shady history part is mainly one of science suppression. Physicist love unexpected experimental results. You make a few tweaks here and there, you get a somewhat interesting result and then you have a paper or a dissertation for your graduate student. Take for example high temperature superconductivity. The idea that a ceramic can be a good high temperature superconductor is totally ridicule. There was no theoretical explanation. But they had a good recipe to make your own ceramic superconductor, so a lot of people confirmed and improved the result.