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What I don't understand is, if they want to make the dissociation with Yarvin more clear, why not just change the name of the project? I have the same questi

What I don't understand is, if they want to make the dissociation with Yarvin more clear, why not just change the name of the project? I have the same question about ReiserFS. I feel like it boils down to the fact that they know a bunch of their user or developer base would be angered by such a move, and that same portion are the folks the rest of the world would consider toxic, and so they just kind of ignore the question.

core-questions 6y ago
> What I don't understand is, if they want to make the dissociation with Yarvin more clear, why not just change the name of the project? It's not called "Moldbug OS". Urbit is a nice, succint, short name that can be pronounced and remembered, which is a commodity in short supply.
- neetdeth 6y ago
  Another salient difference: Reiser killed a person. Yarvin wrote a blog.
  - balladeer 6y ago
    > Yarvin wrote a blog. An openly racist, far right blog. By an author who has stated that he believed some races were more suitable for slavery (he also seemed to have no problem with slavery of course) and that some races have genetic superiority to have better IQs. (Just added it since I thought you forgot mentioning it)
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    - neetdeth 6y ago
      So, what?
      - aiscapehumanity 6y ago
        You're an idiot if you support slavery.
- ohazi 6y ago
  > It's not called "Moldbug OS". Yarvin/Moldbug's blog is titled "Unqualified Reservations" and is stylized as "UR" written in a serif font. Changing the name and cleaning up the obscurity would be a genuinely good idea, but personally I'd prefer for this project to just die in obscurity. I don't think there is anything redeemable here, and the shitshow that follows every time it's brought up is exhausting.
mundo 6y ago
Why would they change the name? Who would it fool? I mean, Yarvin left; that's a pretty substantive change. Anyone who isn't mollified by it isn't going to be mollified by a superficial one.
sneak 6y ago
I don’t participate because whether he left or not, there has been no statement about whether or not he’s still a shareholder. The success of Urbit could still be enriching its racist founder sitting on a founder-sized set of tokens or equity, even if he never worked there. I’d much rather just participate in other projects. EDIT: ...as of last I looked, there had been no statement. I’d still simply rather involve myself in other projects and communities, as it sounds like he would still benefit from the growth of the system, and I don’t think I’d get along with his compatriots that are still working there. I try not to work on things where doing a good job means that someone who wants my friends to not have human rights makes more money for their cause.
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- mundo 6y ago
  1) There aren't shares to own. He owns some urbit identities, which will be worth real money IFF urbit is ever actually popular, which doesn't seem very likely at the moment. 2) You're calling a real live human being racist. Are you sure you know him well enough to stand behind an accusation like that? Or are you relaying third-hand opinions about his blog? I'm not a fan of his, but the blog posts that launched the #cancelyarvin effort seemed pretty innocuous to me.
  - samatman 6y ago
    Staying well clear of 2), but to address 1): Tlon is an ordinary corporation and I would be flabbergasted if cgy didn't retain shares in a corporation he founded. Then there's address space, and my understanding is that he gave up control of his galaxies, which doesn't say anything about the stars and planets that were in them. With a little spelunking in the old codebase, and inspection of the Azimuth contract, someone interested in the question could no doubt answer it with reasonable confidence.
    - mundo 6y ago
      Oh, I'd forgotten about Tlon. Well, I looked it up, and what he claims to retain is "a few thousand stars" and a "non-voting minority in tlon". I guess the latter could be valuable monetarily (in some hypothetical future in which urbit is successful, anyway). from: https://urbit.org/blog/a-founders-farewell/ https://urbit.org/blog/a-founders-farewell/

core-questions 6y ago

> What I don't understand is, if they want to make the dissociation with Yarvin more clear, why not just change the name of the project? It's not called "Moldbug OS". Urbit is a nice, succint, short name that can be pronounced and remembered, which is a commodity in short supply.

neetdeth 6y ago
Another salient difference: Reiser killed a person. Yarvin wrote a blog.
- balladeer 6y ago
  > Yarvin wrote a blog. An openly racist, far right blog. By an author who has stated that he believed some races were more suitable for slavery (he also seemed to have no problem with slavery of course) and that some races have genetic superiority to have better IQs. (Just added it since I thought you forgot mentioning it)
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  - neetdeth 6y ago
    So, what?
    - aiscapehumanity 6y ago
      You're an idiot if you support slavery.
ohazi 6y ago
> It's not called "Moldbug OS". Yarvin/Moldbug's blog is titled "Unqualified Reservations" and is stylized as "UR" written in a serif font. Changing the name and cleaning up the obscurity would be a genuinely good idea, but personally I'd prefer for this project to just die in obscurity. I don't think there is anything redeemable here, and the shitshow that follows every time it's brought up is exhausting.

mundo 6y ago

Why would they change the name? Who would it fool? I mean, Yarvin left; that's a pretty substantive change. Anyone who isn't mollified by it isn't going to be mollified by a superficial one.

sneak 6y ago

I don’t participate because whether he left or not, there has been no statement about whether or not he’s still a shareholder. The success of Urbit could still be enriching its racist founder sitting on a founder-sized set of tokens or equity, even if he never worked there. I’d much rather just participate in other projects. EDIT: ...as of last I looked, there had been no statement. I’d still simply rather involve myself in other projects and communities, as it sounds like he would still benefit from the growth of the system, and I don’t think I’d get along with his compatriots that are still working there. I try not to work on things where doing a good job means that someone who wants my friends to not have human rights makes more money for their cause.

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mundo 6y ago
1) There aren't shares to own. He owns some urbit identities, which will be worth real money IFF urbit is ever actually popular, which doesn't seem very likely at the moment. 2) You're calling a real live human being racist. Are you sure you know him well enough to stand behind an accusation like that? Or are you relaying third-hand opinions about his blog? I'm not a fan of his, but the blog posts that launched the #cancelyarvin effort seemed pretty innocuous to me.
- samatman 6y ago
  Staying well clear of 2), but to address 1): Tlon is an ordinary corporation and I would be flabbergasted if cgy didn't retain shares in a corporation he founded. Then there's address space, and my understanding is that he gave up control of his galaxies, which doesn't say anything about the stars and planets that were in them. With a little spelunking in the old codebase, and inspection of the Azimuth contract, someone interested in the question could no doubt answer it with reasonable confidence.
  - mundo 6y ago
    Oh, I'd forgotten about Tlon. Well, I looked it up, and what he claims to retain is "a few thousand stars" and a "non-voting minority in tlon". I guess the latter could be valuable monetarily (in some hypothetical future in which urbit is successful, anyway). from: https://urbit.org/blog/a-founders-farewell/ https://urbit.org/blog/a-founders-farewell/