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How about being able to actively camouflage, hop around like a ping pong ball, stop in midair and turn on a dime? The projections idea, as unscrutinized as it i

by egfx 6y ago

How about being able to actively camouflage, hop around like a ping pong ball, stop in midair and turn on a dime? The projections idea, as unscrutinized as it is seems much more in line with the description of the objects.

koheripbal 6y ago
None of those properties are apparent in the videos that have been released. It seems more likely that they'd be a property of the turbulence and relative velocities of the planes vs the re-entry vehicles. From the videos, you see extreme-speed objects that are banking aggressively, and audio confirmation of them flying in formation. Is there direct evidence of "actively camouflage, hop around like a ping pong ball, stop in midair and turn on a dime"?
- egfx 6y ago
  Actually this is from the account of the incident https://youtu.be/NTLSQCF6ohQ https://youtu.be/NTLSQCF6ohQ Paper: https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document_dev/2018/05/18/TIC%20TAC%20UFO%20EXECUTIVE%20REPORT_1526682843046_42960218_ver1.0.pdf https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document...
  - koheripbal 6y ago
    The "History" Channel is not an authoritative source, and the pilot himself said on the Joe Rogan podcast that they were taking creative license with a lot of "facts" on the case. Your 2nd source is a collection of wikipedia snippets and unsourced writting. There's no original source on any of it - nor any indication of authorship. It's scanned and has a few things blacked out to make it look like a gov't document, but there's no indication this was written by any government source.
    - egfx 6y ago
      The pilot repeatedly described the objects as moving erratically. This has been the hallmark description of the objects. Here is another source https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/us/pilot-david-fravor-ufo-jim-sciutto-outfront-cnntv/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/us/pilot-david-fravor-ufo-jim... Additionally when I saw the objects, they were moving erratically. It’s not at all surprising that the community your talking about would come to this conclusion although wrong.
      - koheripbal 6y ago
        Right, but "erratically" is kind of vague. It doesn't mean coming to a complete stop - nor does it mean a turn/acceleration at an "impossible" rate - since they were not able to ever verify their range to the target. So maybe it was just traveling at high speed, either away or towards them. From that perspective, turns seem to ping-pong despite the object having constant speed. But, listen - I'm not saying it's definitely not aliens. It might be aliens - I have no idea. But the videos and the pilot's testimony aren't very strong evidence. ...there's also the possibility that the military knows these are MRVs and they had that pilot make a bogus report to help cover their MRV tests. I hope if the gov't isn't responsible, that they're investing in catching one of these things.
        egfx 6y ago
        PROJECTION’s. Not aliens. NYT isn’t reporting the reality of what these are. And nobody is. It’s impossible to argue with people who won’t take the description of the objects at face value. Bouncing around like a ping pong ball at super sonic speed and then hovering over the water isn’t something any object with mass can do.
        koheripbal 6y ago
        Nobody is? The pilot himself literally said he thought it was aliens. ...and why would you take verbal descriptions of aliens at face value? Extraordinary claims require strong proof. The videos are compelling and warrant further investment in investigation tech. Also, claiming the objects "moved as if they had no mass" is not supported by either the video NOR the verbal reports.

by egfx 6y ago

koheripbal 6y ago

None of those properties are apparent in the videos that have been released. It seems more likely that they'd be a property of the turbulence and relative velocities of the planes vs the re-entry vehicles. From the videos, you see extreme-speed objects that are banking aggressively, and audio confirmation of them flying in formation. Is there direct evidence of "actively camouflage, hop around like a ping pong ball, stop in midair and turn on a dime"?

egfx 6y ago
Actually this is from the account of the incident https://youtu.be/NTLSQCF6ohQ https://youtu.be/NTLSQCF6ohQ Paper: https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document_dev/2018/05/18/TIC%20TAC%20UFO%20EXECUTIVE%20REPORT_1526682843046_42960218_ver1.0.pdf https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document...
- koheripbal 6y ago
  The "History" Channel is not an authoritative source, and the pilot himself said on the Joe Rogan podcast that they were taking creative license with a lot of "facts" on the case. Your 2nd source is a collection of wikipedia snippets and unsourced writting. There's no original source on any of it - nor any indication of authorship. It's scanned and has a few things blacked out to make it look like a gov't document, but there's no indication this was written by any government source.
  - egfx 6y ago
    The pilot repeatedly described the objects as moving erratically. This has been the hallmark description of the objects. Here is another source https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/us/pilot-david-fravor-ufo-jim-sciutto-outfront-cnntv/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/us/pilot-david-fravor-ufo-jim... Additionally when I saw the objects, they were moving erratically. It’s not at all surprising that the community your talking about would come to this conclusion although wrong.
    - koheripbal 6y ago
      Right, but "erratically" is kind of vague. It doesn't mean coming to a complete stop - nor does it mean a turn/acceleration at an "impossible" rate - since they were not able to ever verify their range to the target. So maybe it was just traveling at high speed, either away or towards them. From that perspective, turns seem to ping-pong despite the object having constant speed. But, listen - I'm not saying it's definitely not aliens. It might be aliens - I have no idea. But the videos and the pilot's testimony aren't very strong evidence. ...there's also the possibility that the military knows these are MRVs and they had that pilot make a bogus report to help cover their MRV tests. I hope if the gov't isn't responsible, that they're investing in catching one of these things.
      - egfx 6y ago
        PROJECTION’s. Not aliens. NYT isn’t reporting the reality of what these are. And nobody is. It’s impossible to argue with people who won’t take the description of the objects at face value. Bouncing around like a ping pong ball at super sonic speed and then hovering over the water isn’t something any object with mass can do.
        koheripbal 6y ago
        Nobody is? The pilot himself literally said he thought it was aliens. ...and why would you take verbal descriptions of aliens at face value? Extraordinary claims require strong proof. The videos are compelling and warrant further investment in investigation tech. Also, claiming the objects "moved as if they had no mass" is not supported by either the video NOR the verbal reports.