> You certainly have a way of responding to things that weren't asserted in the first place. I thought we were having a discussion and not a point-counterpoint

> You certainly have a way of responding to things that weren't asserted in the first place. I thought we were having a discussion and not a point-counterpoint style debate. > I don't think shaming parents is producing results the way you think it is, or producing a "better culture and a better future," as you would say. My parents grew up with actual famine, high levels of pollution, horrible factory jobs etc. So did almost all of my uncles and aunties. A minimum wage job at Walmart in the US would have provided a huge increase in quality of life for them. Yet looking at their education levels they were still miles ahead of the bottom 25% of US high school graduates. > And you should probably recognize that there are limits to how parents affect their children even under "perfect" conditions. Of course - but we can’t really untangle the complexities involved except by trial and error. I feel we have tried providing more money/funding in the US with overall poor outcomes. I’m telling you about a method that has worked - for a different culture in a worse economic environment. Maybe the success is not from the shaming but in spite of it - but like I said it’s difficult to untangle. I’m not even really promoting it as I still remember the pain from getting caned for getting poor results.