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"The person involved with this has ideas that I find distasteful and so therefore it's total garbage." At least try to argue against the "feudalistic" basis of
by creddit 6y ago
"The person involved with this has ideas that I find distasteful and so therefore it's total garbage."
At least try to argue against the "feudalistic" basis of the project and why that's bad rather than saying it's for Nazis and moving on.
- mdszy 6y agoSorry, don't feel like giving nazis that much of my mental energy, nor those who defend nazis :) If you can't see why feudalism is bad I'd suggest you pick up a history book at some point in your life.
- creddit 6y agoIt's that difficult for you to tell us why the product Urbit is bad? You've already spent some time letting people know about how it's associated with a bad man and is therefore bad, but it's a huge effort to say why the product is bad beyond that association? It's also interesting that saying that an argument that goes as "bad person is associated with thing therefore thing is bad" is invalid, is in your view equivalent to defending the bad person. This type of thinking is exactly the tool of totalitarians that you seem to be so adverse to.
- mdszy 6y ago>bad person is associated with thing therefore thing is bad No, bad thing was created with fundamental bad ideas from bad person and, while bad person is not with the project anymore, the project still fundamentally relies on these bad ideas. Bad person being as bad as they are simply serves to amplify how bad all this is. Is that simple enough for you to understand?
- creddit 6y agoThe fundamental bad idea being that someone can create a space in which they have control over it and the people who willingly choose to participate in? Is Reddit a "bad thing" too? It's not simple enough for anyone to understand because you aren't saying what the "fundamental bad ideas" are!
- mdszy 6y agoCreating a space in which a set person has control isn't the problem, the problem is the limitation in who can control those spaces Reddit doesn't make sense as a comparison because there are no limits to how many subreddits can be created, and communities split off from larger subreddits reasonably often when they don't like the rules. In Urbit's system, you can't do that. If you don't like what the person at the top decides for your plebian self, then you're SOL.
- Lammy 6y agoReddit's admins place unwritten limits on what subreddits they will allow, and any splinter subreddits of banned communities are also banned on sight.
- mdszy 6y agoI'm not talking about banned communities, I'm talking about communities that didn't like the directions their moderators were taking.
- yarrel 6y agoYou've badly misunderstood Urbit. Once you have an Urbit identity, you control who you talk to and can create as many "subreddits" as you like. Split away to your heart's content.
- Tenobrus 6y agoThis isn't really true. Anyone can make comets, which are low-trust entities but still can use the network without any parent at all. Stars and planets can move between their parent galaxy/stars respectively. There's so many stars it's very unlikely planets will be unable to find a host they're OK with, and while there's fewer galaxies, they've been distributed reasonably widely, to the point that for sure not all are controlled by the original creators and there's at least plausibly variation in thought among the owners. Beyond that it seems like your view of how stars/planets interact with their parents is more restrictive than reality, the intention is more infrastructure providers than the form of moderation you see in a subreddit. The thing I think is most problematic is actually the numbers involved, specifically the fact that there's only 4 billion planets (still).
- ashtonkem 6y agoI feel like we shouldn’t have to explain why feudalism is bad. We’ve had a few centuries to sort that one out.
- creddit 6y agoFeudalism the political system was bad for a whole host of reasons but this is a digital product, not a political system.
- ashtonkem 6y agoSure, less harm, no doubt. Personally a system that gives you more control over other users purely due to when you joined seems unpleasant. As long as I’m not obligated to join I don’t really care, people are free to join if that’s their thing, but it sounds like not a lot of fun.
- creddit 6y agoSo you're probably very against Reddit then? Reddit is inherently feudal in the same way: someone creates a subreddit over which they have near total power and loyal subjects are allowed to subscribe and post at the grace of the moderator lords.
- mdszy 6y agoExcept there's nothing stopping you from creating your own subreddit. There's no limit to them. In Urbit and Feudal systems, there's an idea of there being 1. A limited amount of land/resources 2. Some barrier to entry to getting them. In Urbit, there are a set, fixed number of "galaxies" (similar to subreddits in your example) that have all already been given out. Planets themselves cost money and there's an exchange for them (https://urbit.live/ https://urbit.live/) Reddit isn't a comparison at all. There are very many examples of communities whose users got sick of the moderators of their subreddits so they split off and created a new community.
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- drngdds 6y agoIf you're trying not to sound like a fascist, downplaying Yarvin's neo-fascism as "ideas you find distasteful" is a bad way of doing it.
- creddit 6y agoSorry my moralizing in characterizing the bad Ad Hominem fallacy wasn’t strong enough for you. In the future I will try my best to moralize in a way that involves something more akin to feeling the Holy Spirit as per fundamentalist Christian churches. A video of what it will be like to satisfy your moralizing demands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6LA5d8jq7Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6LA5d8jq7Q