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I always found the US model of colleges so outlandishly short-sighted. Problems of non-bankruptcy and wage slavery are just the very apparent outcomes that you

by v4dok 6y ago

I always found the US model of colleges so outlandishly short-sighted. Problems of non-bankruptcy and wage slavery are just the very apparent outcomes that you would have a system like this. "Free" education is the only thing that separates us from a dystopian society of social immobility. And hence people in US defend it. I came from poor background and the fact that Uni education is free allowed me to, first of all, receive it, and also take risks that I wouldn't be able to do if I had to repay a 100k+ loan. These kinds of risks are what in essence allow social class movement, otherwise, we are talking about more comfortable wage-slavery. On the other hand, belief in higher education wanes, people question if degrees like philosophy are "useful" (whatever that means) and then question why voters have no critical thinking to decide their own future. I would love to see if there is historical data supporting my intuitive belief that free access to higher education made significant differences in the advancement of otherwise similar nations. USA is throwing its education down the drain and the decay is already visible.

engineeringwoke 6y ago
I grew up in the States and live in the Netherlands now. I can see this truth, but the Americans don't understand. I want to take citizenship in a couple years... my family doesn't understand. The cultural rot is obvious to me. I hope simply that the country survives without violent conflict. It seems like it would have had to be saved ten years ago.
RandallBrown 6y ago
I don't think anyone has to take a 100k loan to pay for college in the US. There are many many many colleges that are cheaper than that and there's a HUGE variety in financial aid that can make college free.
- battery_cowboy 6y ago
  The 100k is over 4 years and tends to be mostly from "room and board" costs rather than the actual cost of credits. So the courses might be 10k a year and housing is 15k, for example.
nilsocket 6y ago
It's very interesting how the world comes rotating, In ancient India, Education is considered as sacred and given utmost important. Basic Ideology is that student who have dedicated his life to studies shouldn't suffer to learn. So education is free. Basically university's are publicly funded and students also do other small works as compensation. For food, students used to go and beg (One needs to stand with a bowl infront of someone's house, people will come and feed them). Even though whole culture is destroyed due to colonization. Sadhus/Rishis continue to do it even now.

by v4dok 6y ago

engineeringwoke 6y ago

I grew up in the States and live in the Netherlands now. I can see this truth, but the Americans don't understand. I want to take citizenship in a couple years... my family doesn't understand. The cultural rot is obvious to me. I hope simply that the country survives without violent conflict. It seems like it would have had to be saved ten years ago.

RandallBrown 6y ago

I don't think anyone has to take a 100k loan to pay for college in the US. There are many many many colleges that are cheaper than that and there's a HUGE variety in financial aid that can make college free.

battery_cowboy 6y ago
The 100k is over 4 years and tends to be mostly from "room and board" costs rather than the actual cost of credits. So the courses might be 10k a year and housing is 15k, for example.

nilsocket 6y ago

It's very interesting how the world comes rotating, In ancient India, Education is considered as sacred and given utmost important. Basic Ideology is that student who have dedicated his life to studies shouldn't suffer to learn. So education is free. Basically university's are publicly funded and students also do other small works as compensation. For food, students used to go and beg (One needs to stand with a bowl infront of someone's house, people will come and feed them). Even though whole culture is destroyed due to colonization. Sadhus/Rishis continue to do it even now.