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There are not enough upper class to go to all of the schools currently operating- colleges would have to lower prices or disappear.

jedberg 6y ago
Yes exactly. The small schools would just disappear, and the big names would keep going.
- lallysingh 6y ago
  Why? Schools can't be cheaper?
- iguy 6y ago
  Clearly both would happen, right? Harvard doesn't set their prices based on loans, they wouldn't care. Some mid-rank colleges would disappear, and some would adapt to serve the new market.
  - jedberg 6y ago
    > Harvard doesn't set their prices based on loans, They most definitely do: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/10/25/tuition-increase-outpaces-inflation-tuition-hikes/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/10/25/tuition-increa...
    - iguy 6y ago
      Well perhaps I should have said, they don't have to. Right now they need not bother to charge at all. And how they set the sticker price is only a small part of the picture anyway, since they gather near-perfect information about your parents ability to pay (or to donate!) before anything gets agreed.
    - ZoomerCretin 6y ago
      This source does not have any information related to loans availability correlating with tuition prices. Are you making the assumption that tuition hikes can only be caused by loan availability?
- spaced-out 6y ago
  So you're saying small schools would choose to close rather than lower their prices and stay open?
  - chongli 6y ago
    It’s not really a choice. Those schools tend to have very expensive, high maintenance campuses. I suppose they could also let all the buildings deteriorate but then they risk being closed against their well due to safety concerns. In truth, the costs of these schools results from a ratchet effect. Wealthy donors buy the fancy buildings which the schools are then stuck maintaining. It’s a classic case of a white elephant [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant
    - spaced-out 6y ago
      It's not uncommon for organizations to have to downsize due to changing economic conditions. In fact, when people ask why colleges are paying administrators 6-7 figure salaries while classes are taught by lecturers making a fraction of that, they say they need to compete with private industry for top talent. I would hope that an administrator making $300,000+ can come up with a more creative plan for what to do with high maintenance buildings than just "let them deteriorate".
- thorwasdfasdf 6y ago
  or the small schools find a way to make education more cost effective. i'm sure there are tons of businesses that would be happy to give you an online education for cheap if it were legally allowable.
- unexpected 6y ago
  I disagree a bit. The big name schools can get away with charging their current prices, but small schools would radically re-think. No more football stadiums, fancy dorms, etc. People still need to get educated. The rest of the world has universities with sensible pricing - only the US is an anomaly.
ZoomerCretin 6y ago
Universities don't hike prices for the sake of extracting more money from students. They do so because it's the only way to make up for the enormous cuts in funding from states, which have historically provided the bulk of revenue that universities see.

jedberg 6y ago

Yes exactly. The small schools would just disappear, and the big names would keep going.

lallysingh 6y ago
Why? Schools can't be cheaper?
iguy 6y ago
Clearly both would happen, right? Harvard doesn't set their prices based on loans, they wouldn't care. Some mid-rank colleges would disappear, and some would adapt to serve the new market.
- jedberg 6y ago
  > Harvard doesn't set their prices based on loans, They most definitely do: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/10/25/tuition-increase-outpaces-inflation-tuition-hikes/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/10/25/tuition-increa...
  - iguy 6y ago
    Well perhaps I should have said, they don't have to. Right now they need not bother to charge at all. And how they set the sticker price is only a small part of the picture anyway, since they gather near-perfect information about your parents ability to pay (or to donate!) before anything gets agreed.
  - ZoomerCretin 6y ago
    This source does not have any information related to loans availability correlating with tuition prices. Are you making the assumption that tuition hikes can only be caused by loan availability?
spaced-out 6y ago
So you're saying small schools would choose to close rather than lower their prices and stay open?
- chongli 6y ago
  It’s not really a choice. Those schools tend to have very expensive, high maintenance campuses. I suppose they could also let all the buildings deteriorate but then they risk being closed against their well due to safety concerns. In truth, the costs of these schools results from a ratchet effect. Wealthy donors buy the fancy buildings which the schools are then stuck maintaining. It’s a classic case of a white elephant [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant
  - spaced-out 6y ago
    It's not uncommon for organizations to have to downsize due to changing economic conditions. In fact, when people ask why colleges are paying administrators 6-7 figure salaries while classes are taught by lecturers making a fraction of that, they say they need to compete with private industry for top talent. I would hope that an administrator making $300,000+ can come up with a more creative plan for what to do with high maintenance buildings than just "let them deteriorate".
thorwasdfasdf 6y ago
or the small schools find a way to make education more cost effective. i'm sure there are tons of businesses that would be happy to give you an online education for cheap if it were legally allowable.
unexpected 6y ago
I disagree a bit. The big name schools can get away with charging their current prices, but small schools would radically re-think. No more football stadiums, fancy dorms, etc. People still need to get educated. The rest of the world has universities with sensible pricing - only the US is an anomaly.

ZoomerCretin 6y ago

Universities don't hike prices for the sake of extracting more money from students. They do so because it's the only way to make up for the enormous cuts in funding from states, which have historically provided the bulk of revenue that universities see.