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Thanks, this is interesting. But it's not 100% clear to me: are you saying it's likely their AWS bill is low enough to invalidate this analysis? Also, if they

Thanks, this is interesting. But it's not 100% clear to me: are you saying it's likely their AWS bill is low enough to invalidate this analysis? Also, if they're as cloud agnostic as it sounds, wouldn't they have evaluated the cost-savings of single cloud while negotiating?

jedberg 6y ago
I have no idea since I've never tried to negotiate with Oracle Cloud. I don't know how hard they negotiate (but it's Oracle so probably pretty hard). I'd say the analysis is accurate in directionality but maybe not magnitude. But more importantly I think it's just Corey's way of poking Amazon about their high prices. :) But I will say that Amazon is pretty clear that you'll get a better discount if your workload is 100% with them. Like if you put 1/3 of your workload in AWS, it will be more than 1/3 the price of putting your whole workload there. Or to put another way, if you triple your workload you won't triple your price.
- user5994461 6y ago
  >>> I don't know how hard they negotiate (but it's Oracle so probably pretty hard). Can't be too hard. It's Oracle so they let you in nicely enough, then they screw you later when you're locked in, increasing cost substantially on every renewal, changing terms and billing arbitrary things. I think Zoom could get away with any terms really (AWS is not hard to beat on bandwidth to begin with). Oracle cloud is desperate for customers, even more than Azure and GCP, but Oracle has the willingness to increase costs tenfold and change terms arbitrarily later unlike competitors, so all things considered don't expect them to have too much regards for the (initial) terms. On the database they are notorious for trying to charge test databases (normally don't need a full license), any server they can find (up to you to evidence it's not running oracle) or even your entire virtualized datacenter because VMs can migrate so the entire datacenter should be the machine when it comes to billing and they bill by core.

jedberg 6y ago

I have no idea since I've never tried to negotiate with Oracle Cloud. I don't know how hard they negotiate (but it's Oracle so probably pretty hard). I'd say the analysis is accurate in directionality but maybe not magnitude. But more importantly I think it's just Corey's way of poking Amazon about their high prices. :) But I will say that Amazon is pretty clear that you'll get a better discount if your workload is 100% with them. Like if you put 1/3 of your workload in AWS, it will be more than 1/3 the price of putting your whole workload there. Or to put another way, if you triple your workload you won't triple your price.

user5994461 6y ago
>>> I don't know how hard they negotiate (but it's Oracle so probably pretty hard). Can't be too hard. It's Oracle so they let you in nicely enough, then they screw you later when you're locked in, increasing cost substantially on every renewal, changing terms and billing arbitrary things. I think Zoom could get away with any terms really (AWS is not hard to beat on bandwidth to begin with). Oracle cloud is desperate for customers, even more than Azure and GCP, but Oracle has the willingness to increase costs tenfold and change terms arbitrarily later unlike competitors, so all things considered don't expect them to have too much regards for the (initial) terms. On the database they are notorious for trying to charge test databases (normally don't need a full license), any server they can find (up to you to evidence it's not running oracle) or even your entire virtualized datacenter because VMs can migrate so the entire datacenter should be the machine when it comes to billing and they bill by core.