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>Google is a direct competitor I think that people over estimate potential damages of being your competitors customer. Google is not going anywhere, with or wi

>Google is a direct competitor I think that people over estimate potential damages of being your competitors customer. Google is not going anywhere, with or without this contract, and if they want to make an investment in video conferencing, they already have more than enough capital & resources to do that. Staying away from GCP purely because it is under google would be a crazy decision

davidwihl 6y ago
As of April 29, Google Meet is now free, which is seemingly direct competition to Zoom, especially with the emphasis on security. https://blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-more-people https://blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-mo... Opinion my own not Google's.
- awill 6y ago
  First, Google Meet is also not e2e encrypted. Second, Google Meet is not now free. They're rolling it out over several weeks. My account isn't activated yet. Is yours? Google is really, really late to game here. What was Google doing for the last 2 months while Zoom capitalized on our situation?
- haneefmubarak 6y ago
  Google Meet is "free" for 60 minutes, which conveniently enough won't be enforced until September. That's just a shady deal, especially if they end up trying to retire Hangouts chat and so normal users can no longer use free video / voice call services that they've come to rely on having for like 10+ years now. Don't get me wrong - I love Meet on my business accounts and along with all the other Apps in G Suite, it is well worth paying for. But I also value the fact that normal ass standard Google users have been able to have access to a semi-decent video and voice conferencing platform for over a decade now. I hope that doesn't change come September.
- mikestew 6y ago
  Even for free I won't use it. I already have solutions that I (and the business I work for) have been using for several months. (Personal: Skype or Zoom; Business: MS Teams) Those solutions work. Not only do I not assume that the Google solution won't be half-assed, I also do not assume that it will remain free, nor even remain in their product line for any reasonable length of time for that matter. In fact, being "free" makes even more leery that Google will axe it down the road. Regardless, if I (and I assume many beside myself) need a video conferencing solution, I would have found one by now and no longer need a "me, too" product.
unreal37 6y ago
Walmart doesn't host in AWS for exactly this reason. Amazon is famous for stealing whatever data they can get to promote their own business over their customers. Some might consider Zoom giving Google, Amazon, or Microsoft insights into their business as the crazy decision.
- jhwang5 6y ago
  Are we giving FB a pass for stealing competitor ideas? IG stories (from Snap), FB Room - Zoom Clone, etc.
  - _fat_santa 6y ago
    In my view, those are not the same. If you have a product that I like and then I subsequently copy it then that's one thing. You store your data with me and then I use your data to give my product a competitive advantage over yours is completely different.
    - jhwang5 6y ago
      How so? Different in what sense?
      - unreal37 6y ago
        Ideas are not protected under law. There's no "stealing" of ideas. You can steal data, code, and customer lists.
- user5994461 6y ago
  The comparison is misplaced. Google is not in Zoom business. Google barely happens to have a third grade product for video call, sold as part of their business tools package. The Google product has been shut down and renamed like 5 times since it was created and people don't even take it seriously. Amazon and Walmart are selling the exact same products, they're competing head to head for every sale trying to get the customer to not shop on the other.

davidwihl 6y ago

As of April 29, Google Meet is now free, which is seemingly direct competition to Zoom, especially with the emphasis on security. https://blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-more-people https://blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-mo... Opinion my own not Google's.

awill 6y ago
First, Google Meet is also not e2e encrypted. Second, Google Meet is not now free. They're rolling it out over several weeks. My account isn't activated yet. Is yours? Google is really, really late to game here. What was Google doing for the last 2 months while Zoom capitalized on our situation?
haneefmubarak 6y ago
Google Meet is "free" for 60 minutes, which conveniently enough won't be enforced until September. That's just a shady deal, especially if they end up trying to retire Hangouts chat and so normal users can no longer use free video / voice call services that they've come to rely on having for like 10+ years now. Don't get me wrong - I love Meet on my business accounts and along with all the other Apps in G Suite, it is well worth paying for. But I also value the fact that normal ass standard Google users have been able to have access to a semi-decent video and voice conferencing platform for over a decade now. I hope that doesn't change come September.
mikestew 6y ago
Even for free I won't use it. I already have solutions that I (and the business I work for) have been using for several months. (Personal: Skype or Zoom; Business: MS Teams) Those solutions work. Not only do I not assume that the Google solution won't be half-assed, I also do not assume that it will remain free, nor even remain in their product line for any reasonable length of time for that matter. In fact, being "free" makes even more leery that Google will axe it down the road. Regardless, if I (and I assume many beside myself) need a video conferencing solution, I would have found one by now and no longer need a "me, too" product.

unreal37 6y ago

Walmart doesn't host in AWS for exactly this reason. Amazon is famous for stealing whatever data they can get to promote their own business over their customers. Some might consider Zoom giving Google, Amazon, or Microsoft insights into their business as the crazy decision.

jhwang5 6y ago
Are we giving FB a pass for stealing competitor ideas? IG stories (from Snap), FB Room - Zoom Clone, etc.
- _fat_santa 6y ago
  In my view, those are not the same. If you have a product that I like and then I subsequently copy it then that's one thing. You store your data with me and then I use your data to give my product a competitive advantage over yours is completely different.
  - jhwang5 6y ago
    How so? Different in what sense?
    - unreal37 6y ago
      Ideas are not protected under law. There's no "stealing" of ideas. You can steal data, code, and customer lists.
user5994461 6y ago
The comparison is misplaced. Google is not in Zoom business. Google barely happens to have a third grade product for video call, sold as part of their business tools package. The Google product has been shut down and renamed like 5 times since it was created and people don't even take it seriously. Amazon and Walmart are selling the exact same products, they're competing head to head for every sale trying to get the customer to not shop on the other.