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It wasn't "outsourcing", Zoom literally has 1/3 of all employees in China. Yuan was born, raised, and educated in China. Given the recent "oversights" at the c

by jtdev 6y ago

It wasn't "outsourcing", Zoom literally has 1/3 of all employees in China. Yuan was born, raised, and educated in China. Given the recent "oversights" at the company that laid a foundation for Chinese espionage, I don't think I'm being too paranoid in entertaining the idea that Yuan might be a Chinese state actor. It's also a well known fact that Zoom has substantial foreign investment from China. Legally, Zoom is a U.S. based company, but in practice the company has a Chinese "heart".

jdm2212 6y ago
This is the kind of paranoid-but-necessary reasoning that is appropriate if you're running counterintelligence at the CIA, or information security at an important defense contractor. For people who aren't professionally paranoid, there's a word for the evidence-free belief that an immigrant is secretly loyal to their country of birth rather than to America, where they've spent decades and built a life and business and future. That word is racist.
- jtdev 6y ago
  This is absolutely not racism or xenophobia, and suggesting it is clearly shows that you don’t have an actual argument refuting the evidence indicating that something nefarious may be happening at Zoom under the current leadership. History is littered with examples of foreign state actors who established themselves in target countries. Ever heard of Eli Cohen? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Cohen https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Cohen
  - jdm2212 6y ago
    There are literally tens of millions of foreign-born US citizens. Maybe a few hundred of them are foreign agents. There's no reason to think Yuan would be one. Eric Yuan got interested in videoconferencing in college. Then he got a job at the premier videoconferencing software company. The he founded his own videoconferencing company. Occam's Razor says the dude is really into videoconferencing, and a good enough businessman to know that overseas developers are cheaper, good UX sells and security doesn't. I find the idea that Zoom is building in back doors pretty funny because until two weeks ago you didn't need a back door. The front door was wide open! Anyone could dial into any Zoom call if they had the number.
    - jtdev 6y ago
      Yuan literally presides over a company that was funneling corporate, govt., private citizen, etc. data through China... and is known to receive massive investment from China. Entertain the idea that he may be a Chinese state actor based on his having been born, raised, and educated there, in combination with the shady stuff that Zoom is doing, and the whole Chinese money thing... Throwing the race/xenophobia card doesn't lend much to your argument.
      - jdm2212 6y ago
        Zoom clearly does not give give a shit about privacy or security (or didn't, until they started getting bad press for it) which is why they route US traffic through China and also made wardialing stupidly easy. Not giving a shit about privacy and security early on makes it no different from tons of companies with US-born CEOs, like Facebook. There's a really simple explanation, but you're so fixated on the China thing that you can't see it.

by jtdev 6y ago

jdm2212 6y ago

This is the kind of paranoid-but-necessary reasoning that is appropriate if you're running counterintelligence at the CIA, or information security at an important defense contractor. For people who aren't professionally paranoid, there's a word for the evidence-free belief that an immigrant is secretly loyal to their country of birth rather than to America, where they've spent decades and built a life and business and future. That word is racist.

jtdev 6y ago
This is absolutely not racism or xenophobia, and suggesting it is clearly shows that you don’t have an actual argument refuting the evidence indicating that something nefarious may be happening at Zoom under the current leadership. History is littered with examples of foreign state actors who established themselves in target countries. Ever heard of Eli Cohen? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Cohen https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Cohen
- jdm2212 6y ago
  There are literally tens of millions of foreign-born US citizens. Maybe a few hundred of them are foreign agents. There's no reason to think Yuan would be one. Eric Yuan got interested in videoconferencing in college. Then he got a job at the premier videoconferencing software company. The he founded his own videoconferencing company. Occam's Razor says the dude is really into videoconferencing, and a good enough businessman to know that overseas developers are cheaper, good UX sells and security doesn't. I find the idea that Zoom is building in back doors pretty funny because until two weeks ago you didn't need a back door. The front door was wide open! Anyone could dial into any Zoom call if they had the number.
  - jtdev 6y ago
    Yuan literally presides over a company that was funneling corporate, govt., private citizen, etc. data through China... and is known to receive massive investment from China. Entertain the idea that he may be a Chinese state actor based on his having been born, raised, and educated there, in combination with the shady stuff that Zoom is doing, and the whole Chinese money thing... Throwing the race/xenophobia card doesn't lend much to your argument.
    - jdm2212 6y ago
      Zoom clearly does not give give a shit about privacy or security (or didn't, until they started getting bad press for it) which is why they route US traffic through China and also made wardialing stupidly easy. Not giving a shit about privacy and security early on makes it no different from tons of companies with US-born CEOs, like Facebook. There's a really simple explanation, but you're so fixated on the China thing that you can't see it.