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>unlike Android offers no way to opt out — if you want to get your location on an iDevice, Apple will get it, too. As far as I know there is not a way to opt o

by dTal 7y ago

>unlike Android offers no way to opt out — if you want to get your location on an iDevice, Apple will get it, too. As far as I know there is not a way to opt out of this in (Googlified) Android. If you have Play Services installed (which you do, unless you've taken unreasonable steps to avoid it such as rooting and installing a 3rd party ROM), you get a dialog box popup whenever you enable location services which informs you that Google will be watching (it's framed as a consent dialog, but if you decline then location services will not be enabled). And you need location services even to use the GPS.

literallycancer 7y ago
If you don't like Google, installing a community ROM that doesn't violate your privacy would be perfectly reasonable. If you want a megacorp service but not from a megacorp, I think you won't find that anywhere.
- dathinab 7y ago
  But then all banking apps stop working (including the 2FA apps "required" for using credit cards from some EU Banks; for EC cards you luckily still can use ChipTAN). Also mobile payment will stop working, normally I wouldn't care about that but currently paying without touching anything is nice. Then some apps you need for work might stop working. Not even speaking about hounded of other apps. The problem is to many app depend strongly on Google services which are not part of Android itself but shipped with every Google Android phone. And to many institutions except you to either have a Google Android phone or a iPhone. I could get away most of the time with a non Google Android phone but I will would need a second Google Android phone like 5 times a month or so.
  - BenjiWiebe 7y ago
    Not true. With things like magisk and systemless root, the banking apps continue to work. At least my 4-5 banking/payment/credit card apps all work, with lineageos and magisk.
    - dathinab 7y ago
      Thanks, I will look into it. But how do you replace FCM? I mean most apps which where not intentional distributed over alternate app stores will just try to send notification through it. Also I'm not so sure how legal it is to side load a app which is only meant to be distributed over google play.
lern_too_spel 7y ago
> And you need location services even to use the GPS. This is the part that's wrong. Unlike on iOS, you can use the location API directly on Android without Location Services enabled, and the Location Services get location updates API will fall back to using that if Location Services is disabled. https://developer.android.com/reference/android/location/package-summary https://developer.android.com/reference/android/location/pac... https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3467281?hl=en https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3467281?hl=en

by dTal 7y ago

literallycancer 7y ago

If you don't like Google, installing a community ROM that doesn't violate your privacy would be perfectly reasonable. If you want a megacorp service but not from a megacorp, I think you won't find that anywhere.

dathinab 7y ago
But then all banking apps stop working (including the 2FA apps "required" for using credit cards from some EU Banks; for EC cards you luckily still can use ChipTAN). Also mobile payment will stop working, normally I wouldn't care about that but currently paying without touching anything is nice. Then some apps you need for work might stop working. Not even speaking about hounded of other apps. The problem is to many app depend strongly on Google services which are not part of Android itself but shipped with every Google Android phone. And to many institutions except you to either have a Google Android phone or a iPhone. I could get away most of the time with a non Google Android phone but I will would need a second Google Android phone like 5 times a month or so.
- BenjiWiebe 7y ago
  Not true. With things like magisk and systemless root, the banking apps continue to work. At least my 4-5 banking/payment/credit card apps all work, with lineageos and magisk.
  - dathinab 7y ago
    Thanks, I will look into it. But how do you replace FCM? I mean most apps which where not intentional distributed over alternate app stores will just try to send notification through it. Also I'm not so sure how legal it is to side load a app which is only meant to be distributed over google play.

lern_too_spel 7y ago

> And you need location services even to use the GPS. This is the part that's wrong. Unlike on iOS, you can use the location API directly on Android without Location Services enabled, and the Location Services get location updates API will fall back to using that if Location Services is disabled. https://developer.android.com/reference/android/location/package-summary https://developer.android.com/reference/android/location/pac... https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3467281?hl=en https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3467281?hl=en