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> "The Google search engine … is not a passive tool," she wrote in her 98-page judgement. > "It is designed by humans who work for Google to operate in the way

> "The Google search engine … is not a passive tool," she wrote in her 98-page judgement. > "It is designed by humans who work for Google to operate in the way it does, and in such a way that identified objectionable content can be removed, by human intervention. How are people this stupid allowed to become justices?

clouddrover 7y ago
How is it stupid? It's true. Google controls the results and the presentation of the results. The way Google behaves in the world has real world effects. Google hiding behind an argument that it's all automated and nothing to do with them isn't very convincing.
- adamredwoods 7y ago
  They were linked to a Wikipedia page.
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    So you agree with the judge: Google controls the results and the presentation of the results.
- renewiltord 7y ago
  Hang on, I'm about to make HN culpable. Let's see what they do. According to ABC, George Defteros was charged with the murder of Carl Williams and other underworld figures.
  - Veen 7y ago
    He was charged with conspiracy to murder, not murder.
    - renewiltord 7y ago
      Oh dear, now you're part of it as well.
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    Well, it's your comment, you submitted it yourself, and you agreed to "release, indemnify and hold Y Combinator and its affiliates and their officers, employees, directors and agents harmless from any from any and all losses, damages, expenses, including reasonable attorneys’ fees, rights, claims, actions of any kind and injury (including death) arising out of or relating to your use of the Site or any related information, any User Content (...)". You did read the ToS[0], didn't you? (Though seriously, did anyone? I didn't, and only opened that page to CTRL+F for a counterpoint right now :).) -- [0] - https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/#tou https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/#tou
    - renewiltord 7y ago
      They don't know who I am so the buck is going to stop here.
sarakayakomzin 7y ago
>How are people this stupid allowed to become justices? You don't get to claim to be a platform for immunity when you actively fix and modify search results for your own gain, don't be so obtuse.
XelNika 7y ago
The quote at the end could explain the issue. > "Her Honour has found that Google is a publisher of the defamatory imputations once Google receives notice of a defamatory publication online as a result of the use of its search engine," he said. I think it is reasonable to argue that Google should remove results if they are notified of defamation. I hope that was the ruling in this case, because anything else would set a terrifying precedent.
unishark 7y ago
I liked this part criticizing googlebot's poor research skills > "I could not be satisfied that it was reasonable for Google to rely on Wikipedia as a reputable source, given that its own Guidelines acknowledge the variable quality of Wikipedia pages," Justice Richards wrote.
chvid 7y ago
The two sentences you quoted are completely correct. In fact claiming the opposite would be kind of ... stupid?

clouddrover 7y ago

How is it stupid? It's true. Google controls the results and the presentation of the results. The way Google behaves in the world has real world effects. Google hiding behind an argument that it's all automated and nothing to do with them isn't very convincing.

adamredwoods 7y ago
They were linked to a Wikipedia page.
- clouddrover 7y ago
  So you agree with the judge: Google controls the results and the presentation of the results.
renewiltord 7y ago
Hang on, I'm about to make HN culpable. Let's see what they do. According to ABC, George Defteros was charged with the murder of Carl Williams and other underworld figures.
- Veen 7y ago
  He was charged with conspiracy to murder, not murder.
  - renewiltord 7y ago
    Oh dear, now you're part of it as well.
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  Well, it's your comment, you submitted it yourself, and you agreed to "release, indemnify and hold Y Combinator and its affiliates and their officers, employees, directors and agents harmless from any from any and all losses, damages, expenses, including reasonable attorneys’ fees, rights, claims, actions of any kind and injury (including death) arising out of or relating to your use of the Site or any related information, any User Content (...)". You did read the ToS[0], didn't you? (Though seriously, did anyone? I didn't, and only opened that page to CTRL+F for a counterpoint right now :).) -- [0] - https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/#tou https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/#tou
  - renewiltord 7y ago
    They don't know who I am so the buck is going to stop here.

sarakayakomzin 7y ago

>How are people this stupid allowed to become justices? You don't get to claim to be a platform for immunity when you actively fix and modify search results for your own gain, don't be so obtuse.

XelNika 7y ago

The quote at the end could explain the issue. > "Her Honour has found that Google is a publisher of the defamatory imputations once Google receives notice of a defamatory publication online as a result of the use of its search engine," he said. I think it is reasonable to argue that Google should remove results if they are notified of defamation. I hope that was the ruling in this case, because anything else would set a terrifying precedent.

unishark 7y ago

I liked this part criticizing googlebot's poor research skills > "I could not be satisfied that it was reasonable for Google to rely on Wikipedia as a reputable source, given that its own Guidelines acknowledge the variable quality of Wikipedia pages," Justice Richards wrote.

chvid 7y ago

The two sentences you quoted are completely correct. In fact claiming the opposite would be kind of ... stupid?