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Oh yeah, they can spread malware for months, but I submit one fucking app that allows you create signs for your business for COVID-19 and all of a sudden I get

Oh yeah, they can spread malware for months, but I submit one fucking app that allows you create signs for your business for COVID-19 and all of a sudden I get a 'Sensitive Events Violation Suspension' and get a ding on my Google Play account. Google has become Apple except worse because at least Apple is reachable.

realusername 7y ago
Apple is pretty much the same, I've been trying to create a developer account for three entire weeks and it still shows as "pending" without info. I saw on the forums that for some people it can take months. It looks like some bureaucratic government body from the 90s. I now advise my friends to switch to Android if they want to see the app, there's a limit on what I can put with. These companies should just be broken up in pieces.
- armitron 7y ago
  At least Apple doesn’t serve you malware or harvest your personal data for profit.
  - realusername 7y ago
    I think that's the only positive thing I can say about them yes.
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    On the contrary, Apple has served malware to far more users than Google despite having far fewer total users. https://blog.lookout.com/xcodeghost-apps https://blog.lookout.com/xcodeghost-apps Apple also uses your GPS data to update its location service (for profit), and unlike Android offers no way to opt out — if you want to get your location on an iDevice, Apple will get it, too. If you want to do something crazy like write apps for your own device without having to reinstall weekly, you have to deanonymize yourself with payment.
    - realusername 7y ago
      That's interesting to know, I was originally convinced by their marketing claiming the walled garden was at least helping a bit for security purpose but even that seems false.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        It happened because developers in China were using a hacked version of XCode. The apps never escaped the sandbox. I have no idea how Apple makes money by collecting location data.
        realusername 7y ago
        I separate their concept of the sandbox (app permissions) from the walled garden (the App Store & the lockdown of user install). You can totally have a sandbox without a walled garden. It seems that in this case, the walled garden did not help in any ways.
        scarface74 7y ago
        This is all the apps could do. The malware removes information off the device like the device’s name, country, and unique identifiers. This part is complete conjecture. According to Palo Alto Networks, it may also have the ability to push dialogue boxes to your iPhone or iPad’s screen. Theoretically, a bad guy could use one of these dialogues to steal your username and password or other personal information. The malware may also be able to open websites in your mobile browser, which could be used for a variety of malicious purposes again including phishing and installing other potentially malicious software.
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        ship_it 7y ago
        > developers in China were using a hacked version of XCode Can you give us more details on this? Interested.
  - sneak 7y ago
    Apps in the iOS App Store are allowed to embed silent spying that you can't disable (also known as spyware) that upload your location and activity data to third parties without your consent. You're deemed to have agreed to this as a user based on the App Store Terms of Service. Don't buy Apple's lies about privacy. It's just marketing.
    - tinus_hn 7y ago
      The user decides if an app has access to his location.
      - sneak 7y ago
        Yes, but the permission is per-app. Let’s say I approve location for the app because the app’s function requires it: the third party spying SDKs embedded in the app send that location data off to third parties without notifying me or permitting me to stop it. Apple permits this behavior in the App Store. Furthermore, IP address is coarse location even if you don’t grant the app permission, via GeoIP databases. Long story short, Apple allows apps in the store to embed silent, nonconsensual spyware that you can’t disable.
        matchbok 7y ago
        That's not how it works. If you install the app you are giving permission to the app to use your location however they want. It is pretty explicit. From a legal perspective they are supposed to indicate as such in their terms and conditions, which you are supposed to read.
        anhner 7y ago
        If an app's function requires location, how is it Apple's fault that the user decides it's better to enable that app to spy on him? If I use Waze do I expect privacy from it when it's essential that it knows my location? Furthermore, on iPhone you get a warning when an app abuses the location permission, unlike Android. At least on iPhones you have per app control, on Android it's either "location on" or "location off"
- techslave 7y ago
  i learned that you call them and it gets done immediately. submit, wait 24h, call. easy
Karishma1234 7y ago
My app got suspended because my self publish ebook reader could be used to search for books one of which had a kid with a nerf gun on its cover.
- jimmaswell 7y ago
  Sad times we live in.
samoa42 7y ago
why would anyone need an app to print a text stating their business is closed? probably someone was just looking for any reason to get rid of this.
- WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
  Not closed... it's an app to generate signs from your phone about social distancing and other measures that are the law in some states.
mclightning 7y ago
They're not picking on you. You're just easier to identify. Don't take it so personally. That's a very biased view.
cageface 7y ago
App stores are a trap. As developers we should be doing everything we can to keep the web alive. Every power you cede to a third party gets abused sooner or later.

realusername 7y ago

Apple is pretty much the same, I've been trying to create a developer account for three entire weeks and it still shows as "pending" without info. I saw on the forums that for some people it can take months. It looks like some bureaucratic government body from the 90s. I now advise my friends to switch to Android if they want to see the app, there's a limit on what I can put with. These companies should just be broken up in pieces.

armitron 7y ago
At least Apple doesn’t serve you malware or harvest your personal data for profit.
- realusername 7y ago
  I think that's the only positive thing I can say about them yes.
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  On the contrary, Apple has served malware to far more users than Google despite having far fewer total users. https://blog.lookout.com/xcodeghost-apps https://blog.lookout.com/xcodeghost-apps Apple also uses your GPS data to update its location service (for profit), and unlike Android offers no way to opt out — if you want to get your location on an iDevice, Apple will get it, too. If you want to do something crazy like write apps for your own device without having to reinstall weekly, you have to deanonymize yourself with payment.
  - realusername 7y ago
    That's interesting to know, I was originally convinced by their marketing claiming the walled garden was at least helping a bit for security purpose but even that seems false.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      It happened because developers in China were using a hacked version of XCode. The apps never escaped the sandbox. I have no idea how Apple makes money by collecting location data.
      - realusername 7y ago
        I separate their concept of the sandbox (app permissions) from the walled garden (the App Store & the lockdown of user install). You can totally have a sandbox without a walled garden. It seems that in this case, the walled garden did not help in any ways.
        scarface74 7y ago
        This is all the apps could do. The malware removes information off the device like the device’s name, country, and unique identifiers. This part is complete conjecture. According to Palo Alto Networks, it may also have the ability to push dialogue boxes to your iPhone or iPad’s screen. Theoretically, a bad guy could use one of these dialogues to steal your username and password or other personal information. The malware may also be able to open websites in your mobile browser, which could be used for a variety of malicious purposes again including phishing and installing other potentially malicious software.
        deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
      - ship_it 7y ago
        > developers in China were using a hacked version of XCode Can you give us more details on this? Interested.
- sneak 7y ago
  Apps in the iOS App Store are allowed to embed silent spying that you can't disable (also known as spyware) that upload your location and activity data to third parties without your consent. You're deemed to have agreed to this as a user based on the App Store Terms of Service. Don't buy Apple's lies about privacy. It's just marketing.
  - tinus_hn 7y ago
    The user decides if an app has access to his location.
    - sneak 7y ago
      Yes, but the permission is per-app. Let’s say I approve location for the app because the app’s function requires it: the third party spying SDKs embedded in the app send that location data off to third parties without notifying me or permitting me to stop it. Apple permits this behavior in the App Store. Furthermore, IP address is coarse location even if you don’t grant the app permission, via GeoIP databases. Long story short, Apple allows apps in the store to embed silent, nonconsensual spyware that you can’t disable.
      - matchbok 7y ago
        That's not how it works. If you install the app you are giving permission to the app to use your location however they want. It is pretty explicit. From a legal perspective they are supposed to indicate as such in their terms and conditions, which you are supposed to read.
      - anhner 7y ago
        If an app's function requires location, how is it Apple's fault that the user decides it's better to enable that app to spy on him? If I use Waze do I expect privacy from it when it's essential that it knows my location? Furthermore, on iPhone you get a warning when an app abuses the location permission, unlike Android. At least on iPhones you have per app control, on Android it's either "location on" or "location off"
techslave 7y ago
i learned that you call them and it gets done immediately. submit, wait 24h, call. easy

Karishma1234 7y ago

My app got suspended because my self publish ebook reader could be used to search for books one of which had a kid with a nerf gun on its cover.

jimmaswell 7y ago
Sad times we live in.

samoa42 7y ago

why would anyone need an app to print a text stating their business is closed? probably someone was just looking for any reason to get rid of this.

WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
Not closed... it's an app to generate signs from your phone about social distancing and other measures that are the law in some states.

mclightning 7y ago

They're not picking on you. You're just easier to identify. Don't take it so personally. That's a very biased view.

cageface 7y ago

App stores are a trap. As developers we should be doing everything we can to keep the web alive. Every power you cede to a third party gets abused sooner or later.