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America elected a reality TV personality to be President.

by Dramatize 6y ago

hervature 6y ago
Except the President doesn't run New York state, the governor does.
- TAForObvReasons 6y ago
  It's worth reading the article. The subtitle adds a bit of necessary context: > The Silicon Valley engineer, who had no background in medical supplies but was recommended by the White House, never delivered the ventilators. The article has a direct quote: > “The guy was recommended to us by the White House coronavirus task force because they were doing business with him as well,” said the New York state official. I don't think the state government expected that the White House would recommend a scammer.
  - dantheman 6y ago
    Really, the state government that thinks these people are criminals and frauds? Remember NYC has known trump and his ilk for a long time.
    - bathtub365 6y ago
      Why are you letting the federal government off the hook and blaming the victim?
      - dantheman 6y ago
        Holding people responsible for their decisions isn't blaming the victim. This is their job. They failed at it. NY keeps making bad decisions and then blaming the federal government -- they take credit but push off blame/responsibility. I'm not happy with how my government is handling this.
  - edoceo 6y ago
    What business was the WH doing with this scammer? Stealing from NY?
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  The article states the White House recommended the vendor to New York.
  - dantheman 6y ago
    With New York's view on the white house and their capabilities - not doing due diligence is on them.
    - bathtub365 6y ago
      And with the position of authority the federal government is in, giving poor recommendations is on them. Responsibility goes both ways.
      - dantheman 6y ago
        Sure - we know the whitehouse is incompetent - we've known that since day one.
  - tenpies 6y ago
    I get that as chief executive, the president is ultimately responsible for everything, but is this literally where we're dumping the blame? The President failed to make sure the task force member who recommended the vendor had done his diligence and the state government was just 100% blindly trusting of the very same White House they claim to hate at every step of the way, therefore it's Trump's fault? What ever happened to trust but verify? I just don't understand why type of micro-manager would be needed for this to not be his fault then. It wouldn't be a human at that point, you'd need some sort of AI that manages the smallest of minutia of every aspect of government.
    - darkerside 6y ago
      > claim to hate Please don't fall prey to the emo journalism of the day. And don't rachet it up even farther. For the most part, these are professionals doing their jobs. There's been a lot more failure than typical, on both sides, in the face of an historical pandemic. But let's not demonize either side here, or assume that others do. For the record, Trump does run the executive branch, and if one of its people pushed this through, it reflects horribly on his leadership and whoever eventually gets thrown under the bus. But, this article doesn't bring much to the table in terms of sources. Doesn't make sense to point fingers until someone involved in the purchase does, without anonymity.
YetAnotherNick 6y ago
What do you want? President doing the background check of the company from which NY is buying few thousand ventilators from?
- TAForObvReasons 6y ago
  "The guy was recommended to us by the White House coronavirus task force" If the Task Force recommended someone, yes you expect that they aren't recommending scammers.
  - ghufran_syed 6y ago
    If you check the article, there is now an update where a spokesman for the white house denies there was ever any contact or recommendation from the coronavirus task force.
    - krapp 6y ago
      Oh. Well, if a White House spokesperson denies an allegation then I guess the matter is settled. No reason for concern at all.
      - shard972 6y ago
        How about NYC show us the evidence and just settle it? If the WH had no contact they have no evidence to prove a negative.
    - Touche 6y ago
      I guess New York reads Trump's twitter replies looking for medical supply vendors then.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      No, that's not what the White House statement says. > After this article was published, a spokesperson for Pence, Katie Miller, said in a statement that "The White House Coronavirus Task Force was never informed of this contract and was not involved in it at all." Contract, not contact. They deny knowing about or being part of the contract. Nowhere do they deny recommending the vendor.

America elected a reality TV personality to be President.

hervature 6y ago

Except the President doesn't run New York state, the governor does.

TAForObvReasons 6y ago
It's worth reading the article. The subtitle adds a bit of necessary context: > The Silicon Valley engineer, who had no background in medical supplies but was recommended by the White House, never delivered the ventilators. The article has a direct quote: > “The guy was recommended to us by the White House coronavirus task force because they were doing business with him as well,” said the New York state official. I don't think the state government expected that the White House would recommend a scammer.
- dantheman 6y ago
  Really, the state government that thinks these people are criminals and frauds? Remember NYC has known trump and his ilk for a long time.
  - bathtub365 6y ago
    Why are you letting the federal government off the hook and blaming the victim?
    - dantheman 6y ago
      Holding people responsible for their decisions isn't blaming the victim. This is their job. They failed at it. NY keeps making bad decisions and then blaming the federal government -- they take credit but push off blame/responsibility. I'm not happy with how my government is handling this.
- edoceo 6y ago
  What business was the WH doing with this scammer? Stealing from NY?
ceejayoz 6y ago
The article states the White House recommended the vendor to New York.
- dantheman 6y ago
  With New York's view on the white house and their capabilities - not doing due diligence is on them.
  - bathtub365 6y ago
    And with the position of authority the federal government is in, giving poor recommendations is on them. Responsibility goes both ways.
    - dantheman 6y ago
      Sure - we know the whitehouse is incompetent - we've known that since day one.
- tenpies 6y ago
  I get that as chief executive, the president is ultimately responsible for everything, but is this literally where we're dumping the blame? The President failed to make sure the task force member who recommended the vendor had done his diligence and the state government was just 100% blindly trusting of the very same White House they claim to hate at every step of the way, therefore it's Trump's fault? What ever happened to trust but verify? I just don't understand why type of micro-manager would be needed for this to not be his fault then. It wouldn't be a human at that point, you'd need some sort of AI that manages the smallest of minutia of every aspect of government.
  - darkerside 6y ago
    > claim to hate Please don't fall prey to the emo journalism of the day. And don't rachet it up even farther. For the most part, these are professionals doing their jobs. There's been a lot more failure than typical, on both sides, in the face of an historical pandemic. But let's not demonize either side here, or assume that others do. For the record, Trump does run the executive branch, and if one of its people pushed this through, it reflects horribly on his leadership and whoever eventually gets thrown under the bus. But, this article doesn't bring much to the table in terms of sources. Doesn't make sense to point fingers until someone involved in the purchase does, without anonymity.

YetAnotherNick 6y ago

What do you want? President doing the background check of the company from which NY is buying few thousand ventilators from?

TAForObvReasons 6y ago
"The guy was recommended to us by the White House coronavirus task force" If the Task Force recommended someone, yes you expect that they aren't recommending scammers.
- ghufran_syed 6y ago
  If you check the article, there is now an update where a spokesman for the white house denies there was ever any contact or recommendation from the coronavirus task force.
  - krapp 6y ago
    Oh. Well, if a White House spokesperson denies an allegation then I guess the matter is settled. No reason for concern at all.
    - shard972 6y ago
      How about NYC show us the evidence and just settle it? If the WH had no contact they have no evidence to prove a negative.
  - Touche 6y ago
    I guess New York reads Trump's twitter replies looking for medical supply vendors then.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    No, that's not what the White House statement says. > After this article was published, a spokesperson for Pence, Katie Miller, said in a statement that "The White House Coronavirus Task Force was never informed of this contract and was not involved in it at all." Contract, not contact. They deny knowing about or being part of the contract. Nowhere do they deny recommending the vendor.