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Aren't tobacco products already illegal to sell to children? Why is the blame on the manufacturer for making a product that adults like when the real issue is r

by vageli 6y ago

Aren't tobacco products already illegal to sell to children? Why is the blame on the manufacturer for making a product that adults like when the real issue is retailers selling nicotine-containing products to children?

eganist 6y ago
> that adults like An argument can be made that physically addictive substances violate a person's agency. That is to say, it's not that many adults "like" it; it's that many adults are unable to part ways from it.
- vageli 6y ago
  > An argument can be made that physically addictive substances violate a person's agency. Are the substances immediately addictive? Should we violate the agency of those unaffected? What if people consent to having their agency violated? Make no mistake, I'm not defending tobacco companies, I'm against the notion of my body's inputs being subject to someone else's control.
catalogia 6y ago
The tobacco industry has repeatedly demonstrated it's willingness to break the law and market their bullshit to kids. Edit: > Internal documents produced to the court in Mangini v. R. J. Reynolds Tobacco Company, San Francisco County Superior Court No. 959516, demonstrated the industry's interest in targeting children as future smokers.[6] The importance of the youth market was illustrated in a 1974 presentation by RJR's Vice-President of Marketing who explained that the "young adult market ... represent[s] tomorrow's cigarette business. As this 14-24 age group matures, they will account for a key share of the total cigarette volume - for at least the next 25 years."[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Camel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Camel Anybody who thinks tobacco companies have turned over a new leaf is an idiot.
- erulabs 6y ago
  https://youtu.be/zBmIoUO7_Gc?t=198 https://youtu.be/zBmIoUO7_Gc?t=198 > There's not gonna be a 50 year old man who's like, "man, I should start smoking! That goddamn Camel!" That joke always kills me :P
analog31 6y ago
The manufacturers have known that kids are the only viable market to speak of. If it's anything like tobacco, vanishingly few people start as adults. Kids get them from other kids, at school. This was also the main source of alcohol for kids before the drinking age was raised to 21. My mom taught high school, and noticed that fewer kids came back to school drunk after lunch after the drinking age was raised.
- asdff 6y ago
  Juul is very popular among adult smokers. This is conjecture.

by vageli 6y ago

eganist 6y ago

> that adults like An argument can be made that physically addictive substances violate a person's agency. That is to say, it's not that many adults "like" it; it's that many adults are unable to part ways from it.

vageli 6y ago
> An argument can be made that physically addictive substances violate a person's agency. Are the substances immediately addictive? Should we violate the agency of those unaffected? What if people consent to having their agency violated? Make no mistake, I'm not defending tobacco companies, I'm against the notion of my body's inputs being subject to someone else's control.

catalogia 6y ago

The tobacco industry has repeatedly demonstrated it's willingness to break the law and market their bullshit to kids. Edit: > Internal documents produced to the court in Mangini v. R. J. Reynolds Tobacco Company, San Francisco County Superior Court No. 959516, demonstrated the industry's interest in targeting children as future smokers.[6] The importance of the youth market was illustrated in a 1974 presentation by RJR's Vice-President of Marketing who explained that the "young adult market ... represent[s] tomorrow's cigarette business. As this 14-24 age group matures, they will account for a key share of the total cigarette volume - for at least the next 25 years."[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Camel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Camel Anybody who thinks tobacco companies have turned over a new leaf is an idiot.

erulabs 6y ago
https://youtu.be/zBmIoUO7_Gc?t=198 https://youtu.be/zBmIoUO7_Gc?t=198 > There's not gonna be a 50 year old man who's like, "man, I should start smoking! That goddamn Camel!" That joke always kills me :P

analog31 6y ago

The manufacturers have known that kids are the only viable market to speak of. If it's anything like tobacco, vanishingly few people start as adults. Kids get them from other kids, at school. This was also the main source of alcohol for kids before the drinking age was raised to 21. My mom taught high school, and noticed that fewer kids came back to school drunk after lunch after the drinking age was raised.

asdff 6y ago
Juul is very popular among adult smokers. This is conjecture.