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This is actually quite common in COVID-19 and SARS patients, Chris Cuomo from CNN popularized the "waves" that it comes in with his personal ordeal. Some evide

This is actually quite common in COVID-19 and SARS patients, Chris Cuomo from CNN popularized the "waves" that it comes in with his personal ordeal. Some evidence that this virus either replicates very fast, or hides from the immune system (could explain the asymptomatic people) until the right moment when you feel weak after a workout. Eventually your body will 100% defeat it, but you should probably take it easy and socially distance until you have 72 straight hours without a fever. This is common in Chickenpox too, where it hides out and then re-emerges later in life as shingles near the age where your immune system starts to weaken. Good luck, you'll get through this.

switchbak 6y ago
If this person has COVID-19, should they not socially distance with extreme vigilance for a very long time? I must be misinterpreting you, are you really saying you'd be comfortable being around people right after peak symptoms of a COVID-19 infection?
- tumblerz 6y ago
  parent is using CDC guidelines (I think?). I agree with your take, however.
  - alteria 6y ago
    Yeah, those were (and maybe still are) CDC guidelines: 2 negative tests at least 24 hours apart OR 7+ days since symptom onset, AND 72+ hours without fever (with no meds) AND significant improvement in respiratory symptoms
    - ooobit2 6y ago
      In other words: A moderate length of time, combined with self-isolation as much as possible. Precision with language, people, please and thank you. Non-precision is how we've ended up with half the country calling fast-food-drive-thrus "public endangerment" one day, and the next day deploying a brand new plan to reopen everything much sooner than expected. So, moderate length of time, 7-14 days or until tests are returning consistent negative results.
- disillusioned 6y ago
  There's mounting evidence that people are no longer infectious from day 8 after symptoms first appear onward. A German study tracked only a handful of patients, but tracked them very rigorously, with multiple swabs each day for 30 days and were unable to cultivate a live viral isolate after day 8 in ALL cases, even when the patient's viral load was still extremely high. (But in fairness, a bunch of viruses work this way, where patients are still sick and their viral load is high, but they cease being contagious after a few days. Eight days is still a long time, but you shouldn't have to quarantine for a month, we hope.)
  - lbeltrame 6y ago
    Do you have a link to the study?
    - lbeltrame 6y ago
      For those who wonder, it's a preprint[1]. [1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20030502v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20030502v...
Nav_Panel 6y ago
> hides from the immune system (could explain the asymptomatic people) until the right moment when you feel weak after a workout I'm pretty sure this is what happened to me. I felt fine, did a big workout for the first time in a few weeks, and a few hours later, came down with a low grade fever, which progressed into an illness that very closely tracked the symptoms and timeline of COVID-19. The good news: I was recovering in a house with my two parents around age 60, and my younger brother. I spent most of the two weeks in my room, trying to avoid any contact, and nobody else in the house got sick (it's been over a month since I recovered, so we're pretty confident of that at this point). So, it's not inevitable that you'll transmit it if you take distancing measures early!
- dannyw 6y ago
  Have your two parents and younger brother had a particularly big workout yet? ;)
  - Nav_Panel 6y ago
    Both the parents have, at least! My dad and I did a 35mi bike ride last weekend :)
JPKab 6y ago
Unrelated, but that fake, dramatized departure from quarantine that Cuomo did really bothered me. He was leaving his home well before that, violating doctors orders. It made me question how much of his "ordeal" was dramatized as well. I don't necessarily blame him: CNN producers are likely at fault.
- jjeaff 6y ago
  Is there evidence of that? I remember him claiming he hadn't left the basement at all. Also, I know you can't tell by looking, but he never really looked all that sick. Never a stuffy or runny nose and usually not that tired looking, no red face, no watery eyes, etc. I have no reason to doubt his account, unless of course there is evidence that he didn't stay down in the basement that whole time.
  - wanderer2323 6y ago
    You mean more evidence than Cuomo's own account of him being outside his residence that he gave on his radio show?
    - anoncareer0212 6y ago
      what? that's a far different thing from gp's claim
      - JPKab 6y ago
        The account Cuomo gave was of a confrontation he had because a cyclist who knew from CNN that Cuomo had COVID19 and was quarantining asked him what he was doing outside in public around his family. It wasn't close to his property. He was violating quarantine.
  - __blockcipher__ 6y ago
    He didn’t stay in the basement. He was “caught” outside with family members and no mask. Look up the “fat tire biker” incident. For obvious reasons CNN is not admitting that the basement emergence video was entirely fake. Personally I now think that Cuomo did have Covid but probably had mild symptoms and was basically soft-forced into hamming up the symptoms to “drive the reality of Covid home” to America. I hate to use the term but CNN is truly fake news at this point.

switchbak 6y ago

If this person has COVID-19, should they not socially distance with extreme vigilance for a very long time? I must be misinterpreting you, are you really saying you'd be comfortable being around people right after peak symptoms of a COVID-19 infection?

tumblerz 6y ago
parent is using CDC guidelines (I think?). I agree with your take, however.
- alteria 6y ago
  Yeah, those were (and maybe still are) CDC guidelines: 2 negative tests at least 24 hours apart OR 7+ days since symptom onset, AND 72+ hours without fever (with no meds) AND significant improvement in respiratory symptoms
  - ooobit2 6y ago
    In other words: A moderate length of time, combined with self-isolation as much as possible. Precision with language, people, please and thank you. Non-precision is how we've ended up with half the country calling fast-food-drive-thrus "public endangerment" one day, and the next day deploying a brand new plan to reopen everything much sooner than expected. So, moderate length of time, 7-14 days or until tests are returning consistent negative results.
disillusioned 6y ago
There's mounting evidence that people are no longer infectious from day 8 after symptoms first appear onward. A German study tracked only a handful of patients, but tracked them very rigorously, with multiple swabs each day for 30 days and were unable to cultivate a live viral isolate after day 8 in ALL cases, even when the patient's viral load was still extremely high. (But in fairness, a bunch of viruses work this way, where patients are still sick and their viral load is high, but they cease being contagious after a few days. Eight days is still a long time, but you shouldn't have to quarantine for a month, we hope.)
- lbeltrame 6y ago
  Do you have a link to the study?
  - lbeltrame 6y ago
    For those who wonder, it's a preprint[1]. [1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20030502v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20030502v...

Nav_Panel 6y ago

> hides from the immune system (could explain the asymptomatic people) until the right moment when you feel weak after a workout I'm pretty sure this is what happened to me. I felt fine, did a big workout for the first time in a few weeks, and a few hours later, came down with a low grade fever, which progressed into an illness that very closely tracked the symptoms and timeline of COVID-19. The good news: I was recovering in a house with my two parents around age 60, and my younger brother. I spent most of the two weeks in my room, trying to avoid any contact, and nobody else in the house got sick (it's been over a month since I recovered, so we're pretty confident of that at this point). So, it's not inevitable that you'll transmit it if you take distancing measures early!

dannyw 6y ago
Have your two parents and younger brother had a particularly big workout yet? ;)
- Nav_Panel 6y ago
  Both the parents have, at least! My dad and I did a 35mi bike ride last weekend :)

JPKab 6y ago

Unrelated, but that fake, dramatized departure from quarantine that Cuomo did really bothered me. He was leaving his home well before that, violating doctors orders. It made me question how much of his "ordeal" was dramatized as well. I don't necessarily blame him: CNN producers are likely at fault.

jjeaff 6y ago
Is there evidence of that? I remember him claiming he hadn't left the basement at all. Also, I know you can't tell by looking, but he never really looked all that sick. Never a stuffy or runny nose and usually not that tired looking, no red face, no watery eyes, etc. I have no reason to doubt his account, unless of course there is evidence that he didn't stay down in the basement that whole time.
- wanderer2323 6y ago
  You mean more evidence than Cuomo's own account of him being outside his residence that he gave on his radio show?
  - anoncareer0212 6y ago
    what? that's a far different thing from gp's claim
    - JPKab 6y ago
      The account Cuomo gave was of a confrontation he had because a cyclist who knew from CNN that Cuomo had COVID19 and was quarantining asked him what he was doing outside in public around his family. It wasn't close to his property. He was violating quarantine.
- __blockcipher__ 6y ago
  He didn’t stay in the basement. He was “caught” outside with family members and no mask. Look up the “fat tire biker” incident. For obvious reasons CNN is not admitting that the basement emergence video was entirely fake. Personally I now think that Cuomo did have Covid but probably had mild symptoms and was basically soft-forced into hamming up the symptoms to “drive the reality of Covid home” to America. I hate to use the term but CNN is truly fake news at this point.