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I believe it is widely known that the disease disproportionately affects older people. Are you saying you wish we had worldwide stats for the demographic break

I believe it is widely known that the disease disproportionately affects older people. Are you saying you wish we had worldwide stats for the demographic breakdown of the deaths? (If someone does that, could I also request a breakdown that shows the size of the demographic -- for example, in the charts the parent poster shared, I assume that there just aren't many 90+ year olds alive (as a percentage of the population), and so there aren't many deaths -- but a ratio would make it way easier to tell.)

abduhl 6y ago
I think they're saying we should realize that a septuagenarian or an octogenarian is, economically speaking, a drain on society and we should be having a conversation about whether stopping the world economy to keep cost centers running makes sense.
- 1propionyl 6y ago
  Yes, because the elderly among us are, like all human beings, merely vehicles of economic value. My parents wish I would call or write to my cost centers more, but I don't see the incentive to invest my valuable time for little to no ROI.
  - abduhl 6y ago
    You type all this with what I'm sure is meant to be a sarcastic tone but the reality is that all human beings are merely vehicles of economic value as far as the economy and government are concerned. Perhaps next time your parents and their friends told you that they wished you'd call or write more you could respond with something other than "OK Boomer."
- gumby 6y ago
  It takes 80 years to construct an octogenarian but less than a year to make a baby. That octogenarian is full of experiences and learnings, while the newborn will still take decades of processing to become an economically valuable adult. By your reasoning we should terminate the ones we can’t afford to develop right now (we can always make more later) and concentrate our resources on saving the ones that may have the insight we need.
lowdose 6y ago
I only hear raw casualty numbers from the news and not that most people dying had a pre medical condition. I don't think it is that interesting how many 80+ year old people are living because life expectancy has risen in Italy since 1950 with 15 years to 82. 50 years ago nobody was lucky enough to even reach 80, let alone 90. I included your requested pyramid anyway and you can draw your own conclusion how many lives we should save. I think it is the wrong discussion and we should agree on a age limit to decide which people aren't relevant in economy shutdown tradeoff . https://www.populationpyramid.net/italy/2019/ https://www.populationpyramid.net/italy/2019/

abduhl 6y ago

I think they're saying we should realize that a septuagenarian or an octogenarian is, economically speaking, a drain on society and we should be having a conversation about whether stopping the world economy to keep cost centers running makes sense.

1propionyl 6y ago
Yes, because the elderly among us are, like all human beings, merely vehicles of economic value. My parents wish I would call or write to my cost centers more, but I don't see the incentive to invest my valuable time for little to no ROI.
- abduhl 6y ago
  You type all this with what I'm sure is meant to be a sarcastic tone but the reality is that all human beings are merely vehicles of economic value as far as the economy and government are concerned. Perhaps next time your parents and their friends told you that they wished you'd call or write more you could respond with something other than "OK Boomer."
gumby 6y ago
It takes 80 years to construct an octogenarian but less than a year to make a baby. That octogenarian is full of experiences and learnings, while the newborn will still take decades of processing to become an economically valuable adult. By your reasoning we should terminate the ones we can’t afford to develop right now (we can always make more later) and concentrate our resources on saving the ones that may have the insight we need.

lowdose 6y ago

I only hear raw casualty numbers from the news and not that most people dying had a pre medical condition. I don't think it is that interesting how many 80+ year old people are living because life expectancy has risen in Italy since 1950 with 15 years to 82. 50 years ago nobody was lucky enough to even reach 80, let alone 90. I included your requested pyramid anyway and you can draw your own conclusion how many lives we should save. I think it is the wrong discussion and we should agree on a age limit to decide which people aren't relevant in economy shutdown tradeoff . https://www.populationpyramid.net/italy/2019/ https://www.populationpyramid.net/italy/2019/