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On top of that, an even greater fraction of people who believe that the administration is incompetent, believe the correct solution to that predicament is to vo
by ironmagma 7y ago
On top of that, an even greater fraction of people who believe that the administration is incompetent, believe the correct solution to that predicament is to vote the opposite party come election time. It’s as if change in the election system isn’t even an option.
- lisper 7y agoYou have to pick your battles. Changing the election system is really hard. There are legitimate policy disagreements one can have with the Democrats, but one thing you cannot say about them is that they are brazenly corrupt and hostile to facts. Donald Trump is both. He is proud of these things. He thinks they're features, not bugs, and about 40% of American voters seem to agree. As long as that remains the case, nothing else matters. Policy is moot when the country is run by a personality cult.
- coldpie 7y agoThis is true, but it's important to note that it applies to Republicans generally. Trump isn't special. He is the results of decades of Republican policy and is supported by Republicans even to this day.
- lisper 7y agoYes but that still ultimately goes back to support from a very large number (tens of millions) of voters.
- baggy_trough 7y agoCertainly Democrats are just as corrupt and hostile to facts as Republicans (the set of denied facts will be different of course). Only a partisan would claim otherwise.
- lisper 7y agoCan you give some examples?
- baggy_trough 7y agoOf course. Many large cities have been run exclusively by Democrats for decades and are notoriously corrupt, for example Chicago and Illinois more generally. The facts that are denied will be those that run counter to the prevailing sacred cows of whatever movement it is. One that especially irks me on the Democratic side of the fence is denying that the minimum wage has a cost in jobs, despite near universal belief from economists that this is the case.
- lisper 7y agoThat’s not an example that is a vague hand-wavy allegation. Which cities? What specific acts of corruption?
- baggy_trough 7y agoActually, it is an example. These reports by the University of Illinois at Chicago have more details. The start of the most recent report: "Chicago continues to be the most corrupt city in the country and Illinois remains the third most corrupt state." https://pols.uic.edu/chicago-politics/anti-corruption-reports/ https://pols.uic.edu/chicago-politics/anti-corruption-report...
- lisper 7y agoYes, you're right. Sorry, I was reading your comment while waiting in line at the grocery store and I was not focused. But that is one example. You said many large cities have been run exclusively by Democrats for decades and are notoriously corrupt. One is not many. AFAICT Chicago and Illinois are the exception rather than the rule among Democratically controlled cities and states. Also, Democrats don't exhibit pride in their corruption the way Trump does. When Democratic corruption is exposed, Democrats seem to be, for the most part, ashamed of it. It's not just Trump's corruption that is problematic, it's the way he wears is proudly as if it were a badge of honor. When Rod Blagojevich tried to sell Obama's Senate seat, he was put in prison. And then he was pardoned by (of course) Donald Trump! Also, your (one) example deals only with corruption. I cited two problems, the second being denial of facts. Do you dispute that?
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