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Plenty of people are calling for central planning of economies right now, and that's freighting if history is any teacher.

standardUser 7y ago
Examples of any influential individuals calling for overthrowing the current economic system and replacing it with a centrally planned economy?
- sethammons 7y ago
  While not influential per se, it feels like every response to "people need work / pay" is "the govt can save us, get back in your house moron." The only way that anyone talks about it working is the govt taking over and suspending this or that, paying for this other thing, a few trillion here and there. They are all saying "centrally planned economy" without saying it.
  - standardUser 7y ago
    No, you are saying "centrally planned economy" on their behalf. They are calling for extreme but temporary emergency measures to handle what may be the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes. Are you seriously confusing support for these measures with support for ending the market system in the United States? Can you see what a fantastical stretch that is?
    - cpursley 7y ago
      Like the "temporary" Patriot Act?
- parsnips 7y ago
  AOC, Rashida Talib, Ilhan Omar. What do you think the Green New Deal is?
  - devonkim 7y ago
    The GND with its extensive use of private contractors is basically neoliberal like our current DoD. It is structured almost exactly the same as DoD and with a vague never-ending mission would likely take as much resources to fight an enemy that may honestly always exist. A better policy would be focused upon global trade policies to globally incentivize all countries to choose cleaner infrastructure. This sobering reality is one I certainly found refreshing from the Yang climate worldview than the climate alarmist view that civilization ends if we don't go carbon neutral in 8 years aggressively pushing the GND as a gold standard policy.
  - standardUser 7y ago
    The Green New Deal is not a call for an end to market capitalism, nor is it a call for a centrally planned economy. Your point is utterly invalid.
    - parsnips 7y ago
      Let's just look at one (expensive) idea proposed in the GND: >Upgrading all existing buildings and building new ones so that they achieve maximum energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability. How is a directive to upgrade all existing buildings, anything but central planning of an entire industry?
      - fl0wenol 7y ago
        That sounds awfully like a nod towards developers and REITs that you'd get property tax breaks and/or credits if you hit LEED certification levels. What is the problem with that? It's already a thing, just not nationally. You get that pro-jobs angle for contractors, provide a stop-gap when new construction slows servicing existing owners looking to reduce costs. You're reading the proposals with an ... impractical eye.
  - arbitrary_name 7y ago
    What on earth are you talking about?

standardUser 7y ago

Examples of any influential individuals calling for overthrowing the current economic system and replacing it with a centrally planned economy?

sethammons 7y ago
While not influential per se, it feels like every response to "people need work / pay" is "the govt can save us, get back in your house moron." The only way that anyone talks about it working is the govt taking over and suspending this or that, paying for this other thing, a few trillion here and there. They are all saying "centrally planned economy" without saying it.
- standardUser 7y ago
  No, you are saying "centrally planned economy" on their behalf. They are calling for extreme but temporary emergency measures to handle what may be the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes. Are you seriously confusing support for these measures with support for ending the market system in the United States? Can you see what a fantastical stretch that is?
  - cpursley 7y ago
    Like the "temporary" Patriot Act?
parsnips 7y ago
AOC, Rashida Talib, Ilhan Omar. What do you think the Green New Deal is?
- devonkim 7y ago
  The GND with its extensive use of private contractors is basically neoliberal like our current DoD. It is structured almost exactly the same as DoD and with a vague never-ending mission would likely take as much resources to fight an enemy that may honestly always exist. A better policy would be focused upon global trade policies to globally incentivize all countries to choose cleaner infrastructure. This sobering reality is one I certainly found refreshing from the Yang climate worldview than the climate alarmist view that civilization ends if we don't go carbon neutral in 8 years aggressively pushing the GND as a gold standard policy.
- standardUser 7y ago
  The Green New Deal is not a call for an end to market capitalism, nor is it a call for a centrally planned economy. Your point is utterly invalid.
  - parsnips 7y ago
    Let's just look at one (expensive) idea proposed in the GND: >Upgrading all existing buildings and building new ones so that they achieve maximum energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability. How is a directive to upgrade all existing buildings, anything but central planning of an entire industry?
    - fl0wenol 7y ago
      That sounds awfully like a nod towards developers and REITs that you'd get property tax breaks and/or credits if you hit LEED certification levels. What is the problem with that? It's already a thing, just not nationally. You get that pro-jobs angle for contractors, provide a stop-gap when new construction slows servicing existing owners looking to reduce costs. You're reading the proposals with an ... impractical eye.
- arbitrary_name 7y ago
  What on earth are you talking about?